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The FReeper Foxhole Remembers "Black Thursday" Schweinfurt, 1943 - Jan. 17th, 2003
http://www.af.mil/news/Oct1999/n19991015_991907.html ^ | Tech. Sgt. Gary W. Boyd

Posted on 01/17/2003 5:34:18 AM PST by SAMWolf

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Black Thursday
Schweinfurt Oct. 14, 1943

Imagine if a squadron-sized unit simply failed to return to duty after taking part in a contingency.



That's precisely what confronted in the 305th Bombardment Group 59 years ago, following what is perhaps the greatest air battle in history.

Rightly called "Black Thursday" by veterans, the Oct. 14, 1943 mission to Schweinfurt, Germany, was the most arduous of the war. Incredibly, of the 15 group aircraft able to participate in the mission, the Luftwaffe claimed 13, and 130 crewmembers.

Of the downed airmen, 40 died and 20 were wounded, while another 79 became prisoners of war. Four airmen evaded capture and eventually returned to duty, while the remaining crewmen spent the war interned in Switzerland.



It took many months for the "Can Do" group to recover from the raid, and the wounds of that day are still felt by the group's veterans. The 305th BG had raided Schweinfurt before, on Aug. 17, 1943. The experience had been chilling, with much aerial opposition and flak, but the group held together and lost no aircraft.

The "Black Thursday" Schweinfurt raid was completely different. Mistakes up and down the chain of command -- from security lapses to poor weather briefings -- led to unmitigated disaster for the Eighth Air Force and nearly halted the combined bombing offensive.

Departing from the disciplined model of Col. Curtis LeMay, the group struggled with one problem after another in the bad weather that blanketed England. The group missed its assigned rendezvous with its element leader and every other subsequent navigational waypoint over England. Eventually, the 305th formed up on the wrong combat wing -- the 1st Combat Wing rather than the 40th -- becoming the "low group" in a very unconventional four-group alignment.

Unlike England, the weather over occupied Europe was generally excellent for the defending fighters, only adding more misery to the 305th's longest day, as flak, fighters and coast watchers had no trouble plotting their course.



Rocket-firing German Messerschmitt-110s and Messerschmitt-210s destroyed most of the 305th BG before they even reached the Rhein River -- some 115 miles short of the target. Only three of the group's B-17s made it to the target area -- one of those crews released its bomb load while the aircraft burned.

Only two 305th BG B-17s left Schweinfurt that day, and their crews managed to survive the long trip back to England by tucking into the 92nd Bomb Group's protective formation. Many tales of bravery transpired that day, such that unbelievable courage was the rule rather than the exception.

Unfortunately, there weren't enough survivors to write many decoration packages.

Since only two moderately damaged "Flying Fortresses" had taxied to the maintenance area, Lt. Col. Thomas McGehee, commander of the 305th, asked a returning crewman where the rest of the group's B-17s were. He received the most chilling reply in 305 AMW history.



"Sir, there are no more ships," the crewman said. "We are the only ones left." The ground crews of the missing 13 aircraft refused to give up hope and desperately milled about the hardstands for hours until ordered to stand down.

Leadership sometimes requires that higher headquarters be disappointed. Given the abysmal weather over England, the lack of coordination in the air, and the known, strong aerial opposition ahead, the Schweinfurt mission should have been scrubbed.

Despite the odds, the Eighth Air Force had not turned back, had hit its intended target, and suffered the loss of more than 600 crewmen that day. As a result, the face of the bomber offensive changed almost immediately. Never again would the Eighth Air Force commit so many lives to deep penetrations of occupied Europe without adequate fighter protection. No group ever again suffered the horrendous 87-percent attrition rate the "Can Do" group did that October day.

When the 42nd "Rainbow" Infantry Division liberated Schweinfurt in 1945, they sent the Nazi flag flying over the town hall to the men of the 305th Bombardment Group. Now housed at the Air Force Museum in Dayton, Ohio, the flag is inscribed with the simple words, "The Rainbow has avenged your losses at Schweinfurt."





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To: Dubya
Thanks dubya, IMHO one of the best partiotic songs ever written.
81 posted on 01/17/2003 9:54:28 PM PST by SAMWolf (To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul)
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To: SAMWolf; Dubya
Ditto! Thanks for that post, Dubya. Sorry I am still in and out so much, Sam! Hopefully things will settle down here real soon! :) No...I am not still out trying to learn how to iceskate! LOL...
82 posted on 01/17/2003 10:34:23 PM PST by MistyCA (For some...it's always going to be "A Nam Thing!")
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To: MistyCA
Hi Misty. Found some free time at last. Good to see you.
83 posted on 01/17/2003 10:40:45 PM PST by SAMWolf (To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul)
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To: SAMWolf; AntiJen; MistyCA; SassyMom
Good evening, everyone. I know it's late…. very late, LOL.

But you know what they say…

84 posted on 01/17/2003 10:42:05 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: SAMWolf
Sam, thanks for posting this. It has to be one of the best posts I've ever read. The men that made up the crews of the B-17's going over Germany in the day light have to be some of the bravest men to ever walk the face of the earth. They truly knew the meaning of a living hell. May God bless each and every one of them. I will take this oppertunity thank them all. Some people don't know or even care about the heart ache and sacrific that has taken place so they can have the freedom that we Americans have. The Germans and French make my blood boil with their BS that they pass off as compasion today. They talk and act like Hitler would have been better than having to deal with us. I'll get down off the soap box now. Thank you.
85 posted on 01/17/2003 10:43:02 PM PST by The Real Deal
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To: Victoria Delsoul
A penny saved is a penny earned?
86 posted on 01/17/2003 10:43:53 PM PST by SAMWolf (To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul)
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To: The Real Deal
I like your soapbox speech. Keep 'em up
87 posted on 01/17/2003 10:44:54 PM PST by SAMWolf (To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul)
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To: SAMWolf
Hahahahaha, yeah right.
88 posted on 01/17/2003 10:47:19 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: SAMWolf
Thanks for these posts; my husband and I really enjoy them.
89 posted on 01/17/2003 10:47:48 PM PST by garandgal
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To: ex-snook
Thank you for serving and doing what you did. There was not much resistance. Yea, I'll bet you are just to humble to tell of the hell you went through. The things that happen in war are best left on the battle field sometimes. That is just MHO.
90 posted on 01/17/2003 10:48:57 PM PST by The Real Deal
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To: SAMWolf; All
Sam, this Adopt-A-Village idea looks to me, to be a good one.
91 posted on 01/17/2003 10:55:22 PM PST by The Real Deal
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To: PhilDragoo
SADDAM-FREE IN '03

I don't think it will be long now Phil. I say your prayer daily. Thanks.

92 posted on 01/17/2003 11:03:22 PM PST by The Real Deal
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To: Dubya
GOD BLESS THE USA, BUMP!
93 posted on 01/17/2003 11:04:52 PM PST by The Real Deal
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To: Victoria Delsoul; All
Victoria, I'm late to. I guess it's better late than never. It takes me a long time to read this thread. I love every word of it.
94 posted on 01/17/2003 11:08:02 PM PST by The Real Deal
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To: SAMWolf
Cool!
95 posted on 01/17/2003 11:08:49 PM PST by The Real Deal
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To: garandgal
Thank you for letting us know you appreciate the threads.
96 posted on 01/17/2003 11:45:35 PM PST by SAMWolf (To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul)
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To: The Real Deal
I'm not sure, it sounds a lot like "Hearts and Minds".
97 posted on 01/17/2003 11:47:40 PM PST by SAMWolf (To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul)
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To: The Real Deal
We appreciate it Real Deal.
98 posted on 01/17/2003 11:48:35 PM PST by SAMWolf (To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul)
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To: The Real Deal
It takes me a long time to read this thread. I love every word of it.

I know what you mean. I enjoy them, too. Unfortunately, I haven't got much time to post lately. I will try a bit harder.

99 posted on 01/18/2003 12:03:53 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: SAMWolf
The old and the new

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100 posted on 02/01/2003 1:21:48 AM PST by quietolong
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