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The FReeper Foxhole - One Vietnam Vets Battle with the VA - Dec.17th, 2002

Posted on 12/17/2002 5:37:35 AM PST by SAMWolf

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To: Cate
Good Morning to "Big Sky" Country, Cate.
41 posted on 12/17/2002 8:50:51 AM PST by SAMWolf
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To: All

This is a Good Resource if you are fighting VA!

Title 38 - Code of Federal Regulations -- Pensions, Bonuses, and Veterans' Relief

42 posted on 12/17/2002 8:52:35 AM PST by Jen
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To: Aura Of The Blade
So true. What's worse than the vets who don't get help, are the vets who are so damaged that they don't realize they need help. but it's my great fear that a lot of the guys who are homeless or disfigured or roaming aimlessly may have tried to get help at some point and gave up because they were not treated well.

One of the biggest problems in the so called system is the fact that a vet has to be energetic, persistent and determined in order to get what is coming to them. There are so many who can't do those things! The VA should automatically be there to walk them through the system and make sure they are cared for, but instead they further frustrate and humiliate them! This has GOT TO STOP!

43 posted on 12/17/2002 8:54:28 AM PST by MistyCA
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
Good morning to you! It's always a pleasure to have a "Duchess" visit our Foxhole! hehehe

My morning is going OK. I'm procrastinating though... I must study for a math test and complete some Perl projects! Sooooo... I'm outta here for awhile.

44 posted on 12/17/2002 8:55:16 AM PST by Jen
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To: SAMWolf
Don't get me started on the inequities and politicians! I still say, give the Congress NO MORE then what we give our active duty and vets! How dare they think they deserve more then our military! How dare they!
45 posted on 12/17/2002 8:56:00 AM PST by MistyCA
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To: Cate
My husband just came back to Minnesota from California. He couldn't wait to get here to warm up! LOL! He was freezing his butt off in Santa Barbara!
46 posted on 12/17/2002 8:57:49 AM PST by MistyCA
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To: MistyCA; SAMWolf
Our vets deserve much better than this.

Yes, they sure do. I know the law changed not too long ago, and now VA has a "duty to assist" veterans in developing VA claims rather than dismissing claims that previously were determined to be "not well grounded".

But, I haven't had any dealings with the VA since then, so I don't know if VA has actually started helping vets with claims.

47 posted on 12/17/2002 9:04:54 AM PST by Jen
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To: AntiJen
I hope it improves, but I doubt it. And I hope the DAV continues to chew them up and spit them out for breakfast!


48 posted on 12/17/2002 9:16:25 AM PST by MistyCA
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VVA's Guide on VA CLAIMS and APPEALS

Note: This guide was prepared by the Vietnam Veterans Association, but applies to claims by any Veteran. It has suggestions for veterans and their families seeking VA benefits.

49 posted on 12/17/2002 9:20:25 AM PST by Jen
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To: AntiJen
Good morning Foxholers

Well there another report off BBC wire US got a-okay to have Brit spy station up in Northern England keep eye on Saddam when smackdown happen

Jeff Spocoli aka Sean Penn being praise over his comments about US Govt pushing war by Iraqi paper according to sources

And another report off World Tribune this morning is reporting that Britain is very vulunable to terror attack reason is they not prepare of anything

50 posted on 12/17/2002 9:25:27 AM PST by SevenofNine
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Veterans Resources Network

Good collection of links to regulations, veterans news, attorneys and service groups that represent veterans for VA claims, VA's 'Duty to Assist', court decisions, discussion board, etc.

51 posted on 12/17/2002 9:27:52 AM PST by Jen
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To: CPT Clay
Hi there! Glad you appreciate the ping to the Foxhole thread. I bet you are Army, right? Are you still on active duty?
52 posted on 12/17/2002 9:31:57 AM PST by Jen
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To: MistyCA
Hi Misty - There was a thread on FR recently where some folks thought that homeless people are losers, alcholics and drug addicts. It's not true. In San Diego, years ago, the military set up tents off Balboa Ave behind the community college (right before you reach the Naval Hospital). It filled up with homeless vets. Most of them had dropped out of society for a variety of reasons amd my bet is that a lot of it was medical or family related.

Rather than dumping billions into foreign aid, I would rather see it go toward veteran issues and benefits. This extends to the People's Republic of Canada.

53 posted on 12/17/2002 9:37:26 AM PST by Aura Of The Blade
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To: Aura Of The Blade
Oh, yes. It is also because some of them can't assimilate back into a society they learned not to trust. Some of them really don't feel comfortable anymore sleeping in confined quarters or not being "free". A lot of them are abandoned by families who don't understand their "weirdness." Thanks for you input. It's all a very sad part of our culture.
54 posted on 12/17/2002 10:19:46 AM PST by MistyCA
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To: MistyCA; SAMWolf
Thanks, Misty, I've downloaded to Winamp.

SAM, I was just out shopping, and it was going through my head again. ;-)

55 posted on 12/17/2002 10:30:18 AM PST by katze
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To: SAMWolf

Today's classic warship, USS Juneau (CL-119)

Juneau class light cruiser
Displacement. 6,000
Lenght. 541'6"
Beam. 53'2"
Draft. 16'4"
Speed. 32 k.
Complement. 623
Armament. 12 5", 2 3-pdrs., 24 40mm., 4 20mm.

The USS Juneau (CL-119) was laid down by Federal Shiphuilding Co., Kearny, N.J., 16 September 1944; launched 15 July 1945, sponsored by Mrs. E. L. Bartlett; and commissioned 15 February 1946, Captain Rufus E. Rose in command.

Juneau spent her first year of commissioned service in operations along the Atlantic seaboard and Caribbean. Prior to the Korean War, she deployed three times in the Mediterranean. The ship cleared New York 16 April 1947, and joined the 6th Fleet at Trieste 2 May where she aided in stabilizing the unresolved question of territorial ownership between Italy and Yugoslavia. During an extended tour of Greece, she provided ample warning to the communists that aggression would not go unchallenged. The ship returned to Norfolk 15 November for training, and was back on duty with the 6th Fleet from 14 June to 3 October 1948 and again from 3 May to 26 September 1949. As on her first cruise, she ranged the Mediterranean to assure Europeans and Africans of our intention to guard world peace and freedom.

Having been reclassified CLAA-119 on 18 March 1949, Juneau departed Norfolk 29 November for the Pacific. She arrived Bremerton, Wash., 15 January 1950 and took part in operations along the Pacific coast. On 22 April she became flagship for Rear Admiral J. M. Higgins, Commander CruDiv 5, and reported for duty in Yokosuka, Japan, 1 June where she began surveillance patrols in the Tsushima Straits. When the Korean War broke out on 25 June, Juneau was one of the few ships immediately available to Vice Admiral C. Turner Joy, Commander of Naval Forces, Far East. Juneau became the first U.S. warship to enter combat against the invading North Korean forces. She patrolled south of the 38th parallel to prevent enemy landings, conducted the first shore bombardments 29 June at Bokuko Ko, destroyed enemy shore installations, engaged in the first naval action 2 July when she sank three enemy torpedo boats near Chumonchin Chan, and supported raiding parties along the coast. On 18 July Juneau's force, which included British units, laid down a deadly barrage on enemy troop concentrations near Yongdok which slowed down the North Korean advance southward.

The ship departed Sasebo Harbor 28 July and made a sweep through Formosa Straits before reporting for duty with the 7th Fleet at Buckner Bay, Okinawa, 2 August. She became flagship of the Formosa Patrol Force 4 August, remaining until 29 October when she joined the Fast Carrier Task Force operating off the east coast of Korea. The ship conducted daily plane guard for the attack carriers, and returned to Long Beach, Calif., 1 May 1951 for overhaul and a period of operations off the Pacific coast and in Hawaii. She returned to Yokosuka 19 April 1952 and conducted strikes along the Korean coast in coordination with carrier planes until returning to Long Beach 5 November.

Juneau engaged in training maneuvers and operations until 7 April 1953 when she arrived Norfolk to rejoin the Atlantic Fleet. On 13 May the cruiser departed for duty with the 6th Fleet once again, and returned home 23 October. She operated in the Atlantic and Caribbean until 18 November 1954, then returned to the Mediterranean for her last tour of duty. After her return to the East Coast 23 February 1955, she was placed in reserve at Philadelphia 23 March 1956, and remained inactive until decommissioned 23 July 1956. The ship was then attached to the Philadelphia Group of the Atlantic Reserve Fleet until 1 November 1959 when she was struck from the Navy List. Juneau was sold for scrapping to Union Metal & Alloys Corp., New York, in 1962.

Juneau received five battle stars for Korean War service.

56 posted on 12/17/2002 10:57:36 AM PST by aomagrat
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To: AntiJen
Hello AntiJen....thanks for the ping
57 posted on 12/17/2002 11:04:21 AM PST by firewalk
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To: SAMWolf
"The willingness with which our young people are likely to serve in any war, no matter how justified, shall be directly proportional as to how they perceive the veterans of earlier wars were treated and appreciated by their nation." - George Washington.

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It is my personal opinion that the majority of American's (including many who claim to patriotic and wave the flag), don't really care what happens to vets after they come home from war unless they have one in the family. They not only have difficulty getting medical treatment, they often as not are shunned by employers (at least in California).
59 posted on 12/17/2002 12:35:19 PM PST by PsyOp
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To: MistyCA; AntiJen; SAMWolf
Afternoon everyone.

I'd put in what the VA hospitals here in N.Y. did, but that'd just get everyone angry at the VA again. Besides, a minor internet search will bring the pertinant info up in a jiffy....

Oddly, even coming back to 'civilian' life like I did.. it's hard to be a civilian. I let my hair grow, and let the goat-tee grow but I still can't 'be' a civilian.

Then I imagine it multiplied a hundred fold and that's where the 'Nam vets are at.
60 posted on 12/17/2002 12:35:20 PM PST by Darksheare
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