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They Were Not Traitors
Abbeville Institute ^ | Sep 16, 2020 | Philip Leigh

Posted on 10/15/2020 10:58:01 PM PDT by robowombat

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To: TheDandyMan
Legalisms aside, Abe's party loved them and lawyer logic.If the CSA was a sovereign state it could expel a foreign military presence period. As France did in the 60’s with US presence, separate the NATO organizations in France. That is the crux. If a state is sovereign it has sovereign authority over its territories irrespective of who might have built something on its property. US basin agreements all have clauses enabling the nation they are located in to tell the US to leave, no caveats.

This comes back to was the CSA a nation for real. Secondly why was Abe's Party so determined to provoke the CSA and why could the USA not exist without the seceded states being part of their union.

Saying once a state was part of the US then it could never leave is more akin to the way the Mafia thinks about membership and more like the Brezhnev Doctrine than the words of the Founders.

81 posted on 10/21/2020 10:09:35 PM PDT by robowombat (Orthodox)
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To: dp0622

Hollywood in the 1930s was packed to the gills with Soviet agents.


82 posted on 10/29/2020 4:42:48 PM PDT by dsc (Do not pray for easy lives; pray to be stronger men.)
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To: robowombat

Texan for #TEXIT

If you are a Texan, your support should be behind this initiative before it is too late.

Secede and never look back


83 posted on 12/01/2020 4:51:28 AM PST by eartick (Stupidity is expecting the government that broke itself to go out and fix itself. Texan for TEXIT!)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
But the bulk of Confederate apologia is pure crap.

Nikki is that you? First the came for Gen Lee and no one said a thing. When they get to tearing down Washington and Jefferson are you going to say anything then you sniveling coward?

84 posted on 12/01/2020 5:03:31 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: NTHockey

It is relevant because secession is the last remedy that free people have.


85 posted on 12/01/2020 5:06:31 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: robowombat

Here we go again, stil fighting a war that ended 155 years ago. There are going to be another 100-200 posts arguing one side or the other. And nobody’s mind will be changed!

We need to focus on what we will do under the antipresident Biden’s regime. The entire country will be under attack, our freedoms in jeopardy. What can be done? Take action. Should we take actions to preserve our freedoms? We should, otherwise we will lose those freedoms.

President Trump is honestly elected; Biden is not. Is a government in exile the way to go?


86 posted on 12/01/2020 6:15:34 AM PST by NTHockey (My rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: central_va

I’m against iconoclasm.
I’m also against BS.


87 posted on 12/01/2020 9:16:15 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Reverse Wickard v Filburn (1942) - and - ISLAM DELENDA EST)
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To: Secret Agent Man

And britain certainly was interested in backing one side of the civil war if it could be successful and further british interests


88 posted on 12/17/2020 4:28:09 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: robowombat

Does anyone know where I can find the text of those five amendments?


89 posted on 05/01/2023 2:57:42 PM PDT by TBP (Decent people cannot fathom the amoral cruelty of the Biden regime.)
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To: FLT-bird

Unless the Constitution either explicitly grants a power to the Federal government or prohibits that power from being exercised by the states, it’s a state or local power.

Nowhere does the Constitution say you can’t secede. In fact, the Union itself induced six counties to secede from Virginia, and thus from the Confederacy.


90 posted on 05/01/2023 3:03:47 PM PDT by TBP (Decent people cannot fathom the amoral cruelty of the Biden regime.)
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To: ifinnegan

The Democrats’ view of minorities has not changed one iota since their party was founded about 200 years ago. All that has changed is the color of the hoods.


91 posted on 05/01/2023 3:07:25 PM PDT by TBP (Decent people cannot fathom the amoral cruelty of the Biden regime.)
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To: Ikeon
Maryland at the time was pro confederate.

Yes, just listen to the state song.

92 posted on 05/01/2023 3:09:42 PM PDT by TBP (Decent people cannot fathom the amoral cruelty of the Biden regime.)
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To: Ikeon

Had Maryland seceded, Washington, DC would have been surrounded by Confederate territory.


93 posted on 05/01/2023 3:10:28 PM PDT by TBP (Decent people cannot fathom the amoral cruelty of the Biden regime.)
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To: CodeToad

We’re supposed to be a union of sovereign states. The stats created the Union.

Are we the Hotel California? “You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave”?


94 posted on 05/01/2023 7:03:06 PM PDT by TBP (Decent people cannot fathom the amoral cruelty of the Biden regime.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

In an election in which there were two Democrat tickets, one headed by his old rival, Senator Stephen Douglas, the other by Vice President John C. Breckinridge.


95 posted on 05/01/2023 7:06:17 PM PDT by TBP (Decent people cannot fathom the amoral cruelty of the Biden regime.)
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To: central_va

It should be the last resort, but when all else fails, it needs to be available.


96 posted on 05/01/2023 7:08:02 PM PDT by TBP (Decent people cannot fathom the amoral cruelty of the Biden regime.)
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