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To: patriot preacher
had the government and nation survived the war, it is probable that the Confederacy would have become far more reflective of the States Rights principles originally voiced by the Founders of the United States, and of those who followed them.

I don't see that. The Confederacy was founded as an engine of competition with the Union and external and internal pressures would probably have led it to becoming even more oppressive than it was during the war. That is what will happen when you try to impose a second central power over one nation.

18 posted on 06/07/2010 10:17:13 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

I don’t see that. The Confederacy was founded as an engine of competition with the Union and external and internal pressures would probably have led it to becoming even more oppressive than it was during the war. That is what will happen when you try to impose a second central power over one nation.
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The very nature of the Confederacy wasn’t “centralized.” That was one of the weaknesses from which it suffered and ultimately succumbed. The Southern States ALL viewed themselves much more independently than did those that composed “The Union.” And saying that the Confederacy would have become “even more oppressive” defies both history and economic realities of the time. But it’s also plainly based on wild speculation.

Again, what is NOT speculation is what HAS indeed resulted from the victory of the Union — either directly or indirectly. That is, an imperial and centralized governmental power in Washington, DC that runs the government and lives of the States, Communities and most individuals in one way or another today. This reality was made a potential outcome by the ascendency gained through the war persecuted by Lincoln, the Washington Government, abd the “Union” States. They effectively destroyed the Constitution to preserve the Union. Progressivism, The New Deal, The Great Society, and even the division of the races, Jim Crow/Segregationism/Civil Rights, etc. ALL came directly or indirectly out of THAT period. Manipulations meant to divide and conquer, NOT for the greater good of “We the People,” but for the ultimate power of THEY THE GOVERNMENT.


19 posted on 06/07/2010 11:05:52 AM PDT by patriot preacher (To be a good American Citizen and a Christian IS NOT a contradiction. (www.mygration.blogspot.com))
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