The FReeper Foxhole Remembers Ultra (1940 - 1945) - July 14th, 2005

Military History Quarterly | Spring 2002 | Williamson Murray

[snippy_about_it]

LOL. The rubik's cube was one of those things children can do and adults have trouble with. I think we think too hard.

[Excuse_My_Bellicosity]

Ah, thanks!

[Darksheare]

I know, WAY too much fun!

[Samwise]

Hubby says, "Thanks for the link!"

[Valin]

and my is it growing

I hear ya.

[Iris7]

"Thanks to unimaginable valor of these men, Germans were unaware of the fact that Enigma was already broken at that time."

I don't see anything "unimaginable" here, but instead a devotion to Duty of the highest sort. Antoni Paluth accepting his death as his duty gives me a quiet satisfaction.

The SS and Gestapo in those years used a very intense form of electric torture where electrical pulses were sent through the brain. Reports sent to England said that the pain was much worse than childbirth or having a limb amputated without anesthesia. "George Orwell" got wind of this technique, and used it in his "1984" for the torture of Winston Smith.

Colonel Langer and Dr. Paluth suffered beyond imagination.

Duty. Honor. Country.

[quietolong]

Some very interesting information here. But it misses one of the most important sources of intelligence. That help us win the war with Germany. And kept the USSR from falling.

It was the US reading of the Japanese purple code. ( yes the Japanese ) Known as Magic

After meeting with Hitler and other top members of the party & military. The Japanese Ambassador Oshima. Tokyo’s representative to Berlin. Would not only keep Japan informed of these meetings. But would also transmit his own personal views and estimates of the situation in Germany.

A good read on this is the book:
Marching Orders
Bruce Lee 1995

http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/bookrev/lee.html

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0306810360/ref%3Dpd%5Fsl%5Faw%5Falx-jeb-9-1%5Fbook%5F5482470%5F1/103-8373147-1831859

[quietolong]

PS

You may want to do a Foxhole on Magic and the Magic Diplomatic Summaries.

[Iris7]

Hi, Snippy. Rubik's cube is tough.

Do you remember those puzzles where there were chiclet style numbers in a, I forget, four by four frame? The numbers that moved side to side and up and down? Where there was one empty square? Where all the numbers were in sequence when you started the puzzle except for two numbers out of order?

You were supposed to move the chiclet shaped numbers into the one empty square, the one just emptied by the previous move. You won when the numbers were all in sequence.

Heavy duty math can show that no solution (algorithm) exists. Heavy duty math for me, anyway!

The Germans thought Enigma was a problem like this. Impregnable, absolutely not soluble, proven mathematically insoluble. Actually, their argument, their math, is real, real easy, and wrong, wrong, wrong. Ha, ha, jokes on you!!!! Doofus, doofus, naah naah naah!!!!!!!!!!! Bunch of twinks, Herrn Volk, baloney.

[Iris7]

Is hard to die well. Personally, learned something about that from His Holiness John Paul II.

Personally, I do not figure I am anywhere near the man "Agaton" was. A good enough man to admire such total courage, though.

Hard interrogation is a matter of producing real fear, the total fear. Me, a bit of a coward, would like to have a cyanide pill handy if I knew too much. This is a rough subject, I will say no more.

[Iris7]

I see it like this. "Agaton" must not talk. Home Army lads would die en masse if his courage were to prove inadequate to the task. His courage was equal to his task, to his duty. A very terrible risk though.

They must have caught him when he couldn't defend himself. Gestapo wanted him alive and well, obviously.

There were a pair of American lads, unfortunately I forget their names. They were brothers. Parachuted several times into Nazi territory. They were both very expert pistol shots, and both carried two .45 caliber Colt-Brownings. They shot their way out of difficulty a half a dozen times, once in a pitched battle. Neither survived. I would rather go like that if possible.