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The FReeper Foxhole Remembers the Death of Convoy PQ-17( 6/27 - 7/28, 1942) - June 29th, 2005
World War II Magazine | Raymond A. Denkhaus

Posted on 06/29/2005 3:03:31 AM PDT by SAMWolf



Lord,

Keep our Troops forever in Your care

Give them victory over the enemy...

Grant them a safe and swift return...

Bless those who mourn the lost.
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FReepers from the Foxhole join in prayer
for all those serving their country at this time.


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Death of Convoy PQ-17

As their escorts turned away, the ships of the doomed Allied convoy followed orders and began to disperse in the Arctic waters.

Germany's ill-fated invasion of the Soviet Union in June 1941 gave England an unlikely and problematic ally. Unlikely because Great Britain's government was ardently anti-Communist, and problematical because of the vast distances involved in supplying aid under the protection of an already hard-pressed Royal Navy.

Political differences aside, British Prime Minister Winston Churchill felt that any nation warring with Germany was already an ally and deserved aid, from Britain as well as the United States. England's commitments elsewhere around the globe precluded providing manpower or seizing the initiative. For now, the only aid readily available was a constant flow of supplies.


Starting Point - Hvalfjord, Iceland


Originally, an informal agreement provided for the delivery of all goods to Soviet ships at British and American ports. The responsibility for ferrying supplies back to the Soviet Union would then rest entirely with the Soviets. But there were not enough ships in the Soviet navy to handle such a monumental task, and eventually the convoys to the Soviet Union came to consist mainly of British and American ships.

Axis domination of the Mediterranean left only two Allied supply routes to the Soviet Union open. One, through Iran, required a sea journey of more than 13,000 miles. The second was a more practical northern route of less than 2,500 miles, but it crossed the cruelest sea of all, the Arctic Ocean. This Arctic route became known as the Murmansk Run.

Sailing around the northern tip of Norway, the convoys would be exposed to one of the largest concentrations of German U-boats, surface raiders and aircraft anywhere in the world. Attacks by more than a dozen subs and literally hundreds of planes at one time would not be uncommon. Strict orders forbade the halting of any ship for even a moment for fear of being attacked by prowling German U-boats, and individuals who fell overboard or survivors seen adrift on the waters had to be ruthlessly ignored. In the first two years of the run, more than one-fifth of the supplies sent to Murmansk would be lost.


Admiral Sir Dudley Pound - who cast PQ17 to the wolves


Late in August 1941 a small, unnumbered convoy of seven ships made the trip from Iceland to the Soviet port of Archangel in 10 days without incident. The convoy, which had been hurriedly assembled, made the trip both as an experiment and as a gesture of good faith.

That September a military mission was sent to work out a formal aid program for the beleaguered Soviets. Negotiations at first were difficult. The Soviets dismissed all discussion concerning aid and demanded the immediate opening of a second front. They were convinced that only an offensive somewhere else could reduce the pressure the Germans were putting on them.

Several times the talks broke up after bitter disagreement. Marshal Josef Stalin often pointed out that while the Soviet Union was saddled with the burden of carrying 90 percent of the war, all the British were offering was "the loss of a few ships in support of the common cause." It was only after it looked as if the negotiations would break down altogether that the Soviets were finally willing to listen to aid proposals. The British and American representatives agreed to furnish all the planes, tanks and other war materiel that the Soviets felt they needed. For an industrial giant like the United States, the manufacturing would be the easy part; getting the goods safely halfway around the world would prove more difficult.



Originally, the Allied convoys went unnamed and unnumbered. After several round trips were successfully completed, a coding system was established. All convoys bound for the Soviet Union were designated "PQ," and those returning were designated "QP."

At first the Germans had to ignore the Allied crossings because they had few warships available to track the supply convoys. By the end of 1941, seven convoys had delivered 750 tanks, 800 planes, 2,300 vehicles and more than 100,000 tons of general cargo to the Soviet Union. Convoy PQ-8 was attacked by a U-boat but safely reached Murmansk on January 19, 1942. By early February 1942, 12 northbound convoys including 93 ships had made the journey with the loss of only one ship to a U-boat.

Although the early convoys encountered little German opposition, they still had to traverse the treacherous Barents Sea, part of the Atlantic Ocean. Winter brought nearly four months of unbroken darkness, which helped conceal the convoys from the enemy but made navigation difficult. Polar ice also pushed down from the north, forcing all ships to make a closer voyage to German-held Norway. The subzero winds howling off the polar cap could easily reach hurricane velocity and whip waves to a height of 70 feet. At such temperatures, sea spray froze immediately and created a top-heavy covering on anything exposed to it. The ice had to be chipped away to prevent the Allied ships from capsizing. Binoculars iced up, as well as guns and torpedoes. Freezing decks could become mirror-smooth, making it impossible for the crewmen to walk on them.



Any man who fell into the sea during the Arctic winter was as good as lost. On January 17, 1942, the British destroyer Matabele was torpedoed and sunk. Although a rescue ship arrived on the scene within minutes, only two survivors out of a crew of 200 were safely pulled from the water. The rest had all frozen to death.

Visibility was also frequently a problem. When the warmer waters of the Gulf Stream blended with the frigid Arctic waters, the result was often an unimaginably thick fog and occassionally blinding snow. Ships had to drastically reduce speed to prevent collisions. Escorting or intercepting the convoys became even riskier.



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To: Samwise; snippy_about_it
We are going to expect fresh pastries every morning in the foxhole. :^)

I like cream filled ones. Thanks Snippy!

61 posted on 06/29/2005 3:14:28 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (Got Flag?)
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To: SAMWolf

Well actually when sailors are uncouth, it is not an act.


62 posted on 06/29/2005 3:27:29 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (Pray For the EOD Folks Working in the Middle East)
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To: PAR35
You are correct in the existence of the TSR, and I did neglect it's existence.

There is, however, the niggling problem of Japanese proximity to Vlad, and the lack of railroad hardware and maintenance of that line predating the war.

The allies most probably did consider the Pacific option, but shipping over the Atlantic and avoiding 6000 miles of rail travel over neglected rail lines likely quashed that line of thought quickly.

Good point, though. It's one of the reasons I love this place so much: when I forget something major OR minor, it is usually brought to my attention in short order.

God Bless
63 posted on 06/29/2005 4:45:48 PM PDT by Don W (Whatever has form-man or machine-has mortality. It is only a matter of time)
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To: Professional Engineer; Samwise
We are going to expect fresh pastries every morning in the foxhole. :^)

I like cream filled ones. Thanks Snippy!

LOL. Will do. I'll also be baking breads, muffins and bagels. :-)

64 posted on 06/29/2005 4:50:03 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: U S Army EOD; SAMWolf

You Army guys are soooo jealous of the sailors, admit it.


65 posted on 06/29/2005 4:51:06 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Don W

They may have had good reasons for not trying it, but I have never run across them. It may have been that the Russians didn't want to provoke the Japanese. If they had done it, Germany probably would have tried to force the Japanese to let them operate some subs out of Japanese ports.

After the PQ 17 fiasco shut down the north Atlantic runs, you would have thought that someone would have tried it.


66 posted on 06/29/2005 4:54:19 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Professional Engineer; SAMWolf

Motorola Model 5P21N tube portable (1958)
This set can take either AC or battery power,
using one 90V "B" battery and one 7.5V "A" battery.

67 posted on 06/29/2005 4:54:25 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: SAMWolf

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68 posted on 06/29/2005 4:56:18 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("A litany of complaints is not a plan." -- G.W. Bush, regarding Sen. Kerry's lack of vision)
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To: Professional Engineer
Not much call for 90 volt

What? you don't use them to get "jump started" in the mornings?

69 posted on 06/29/2005 5:08:46 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Why are there no size B batteries? (G. Carlin))
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To: PAR35

Shipping to Vlad would have meant sailing within 100 miles of the main Japanese island of Honshu. During the early part of the war, and up until 1944, no allied NAVAL vessel or even battle group dared come that close, let alone merchantmen.

NO allied captain with a hint of ship safety would have obeyed an order to sail there.


70 posted on 06/29/2005 5:10:03 PM PDT by Don W (Whatever has form-man or machine-has mortality. It is only a matter of time)
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To: Valin
1955 The Soviet Union sends tanks to Poznan, Poland, to put down anti-Communist demonstrations

Poznan, 1956

In March of 1956, just a month after Khrushchev's "Secret Speech" denouncing Stalin, Polish Communist Party leader Bolesav Bierut died of natural causes. He was replaced by Edward Ochab.

In April of that year the Polish government announced its plans to release 30,000 political prisoners -- including Wladyslaw Gomulka, the former Party chief who had lost a power struggle with Bierut in 1951.

The reforms instituted by Ochab also brought pressure for more change in Poland. Events reached a boiling point in the city of Poznan, where workers had been striking for better wages, increased reforms and the withdrawal of Soviet troops. In June, while Poznan was hosting an international trade fair, the workers rioted.

Ochab sent in the Polish Army to put down the Poznan uprising. The troops opened fire; more than 50 people were killed, and hundreds more were injured.

The events in Poznan enflamed reformers in the Polish Communist Party. In October, without consulting the Kremlin, they elected Gomulka as their party head.

Soon thereafter, Nikita Khrushchev unexpectedly flew to Warsaw, where he met with Gomulka -- and informed him that Soviet tanks were advancing on the Polish capital. After a series of meetings, Gomulka and Khrushchev agreed that Poland would be given more control of its own affairs -- so long as it remained loyal to Moscow, and within the Warsaw Pact.

71 posted on 06/29/2005 5:14:41 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Why are there no size B batteries? (G. Carlin))
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To: Professional Engineer

YEEEEEE-HAAAAAAAAAAAA!!


72 posted on 06/29/2005 5:15:19 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Why are there no size B batteries? (G. Carlin))
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To: colorado tanker

Imagine what Doenitz could have done with 300 U-Boats in 1939,1940.


73 posted on 06/29/2005 5:16:54 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Why are there no size B batteries? (G. Carlin))
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To: snippy_about_it
We never said we were jealous, we just said sailors embarrass us.
74 posted on 06/29/2005 5:19:52 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (Pray For the EOD Folks Working in the Middle East)
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To: Samwise


75 posted on 06/29/2005 5:20:28 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Why are there no size B batteries? (G. Carlin))
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To: Don W

IIRC, the Trans-Siberian Railroad was a single track line for most if it's length.


76 posted on 06/29/2005 5:22:00 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Why are there no size B batteries? (G. Carlin))
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To: snippy_about_it; U S Army EOD

Hey!! We can be as uncouth as sailors! We just don't get to travel all around and do it in every city in the world. :-)


77 posted on 06/29/2005 5:23:15 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Why are there no size B batteries? (G. Carlin))
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To: PhilDragoo
Afternoon Phil Dragoo.


78 posted on 06/29/2005 5:29:18 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Why are there no size B batteries? (G. Carlin))
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Thanks for all the "Current News" pics,Excuse_My_Bellicosity


79 posted on 06/29/2005 5:29:55 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Why are there no size B batteries? (G. Carlin))
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To: SAMWolf

Any time. The Foxhole has such great history bits, I love to visit.


80 posted on 06/29/2005 5:35:51 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("A litany of complaints is not a plan." -- G.W. Bush, regarding Sen. Kerry's lack of vision)
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