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The FReeper Foxhole Remembers Operation Matterhorn (1943-1944) - Apr. 25th, 2005
Aviation History Magazine | E.R. Johnson

Posted on 04/24/2005 9:42:55 PM PDT by SAMWolf

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To: SAMWolf; snippy_about_it

Good Morning to you both..


41 posted on 04/25/2005 6:47:58 AM PDT by The Mayor ( Earth changes, but God and His Word stand sure!)
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To: Professional Engineer

LOL. Good morning PE.


42 posted on 04/25/2005 6:56:30 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Professional Engineer

43 posted on 04/25/2005 7:26:10 AM PDT by Samwise (We apologize for the inconvenience.)
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To: SAMWolf
"....Hap Arnold was on target in his prediction -- a war can be fought and won through the right use of strategic air power."

Oh, good grief. What baloney.

Land invasion, or the certainty of a land invasion, combined with aerial bombardment, can win a war. As Goebbels put it, "we can cope with the bombing, or with the Russians, but not both."

My experience in Japan is that the nuclear bombing had a profound effect, but without the certainty of Russian and American amphibious assault Japan would not have surrendered.

Even a modern nuclear war can not defeat an enemy. The most that even nuclear bombardment can accomplish is a cease fire in place.

Lots of libs will disagree with me. As Galileo pointed out on his deathbed, "Yet they still turn", referring to the moons of Jupiter in his case. Foolish opinion remains foolish opinion now as it was in the 16th Century.

By the way, the guys who made Galileo shut up were not of the Church but instead were university academics.

Notice Roosevelt shows himself to be right off the turnip truck. Chairman Mao was likewise. Foolish is as foolish does, as they say.

44 posted on 04/25/2005 9:02:35 AM PDT by Iris7 (A man said, "That's heroism." "No, that's Duty," replied Roy Benavides, Medal of Honor.)
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf

Good Morning, Foxhole.    Great war bird thread today.

 

45 posted on 04/25/2005 9:08:31 AM PDT by tomball
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To: Professional Engineer

Morning all.

Memorial service, visitation etc is all over down here in home territory and I'm fixin' to be driving back north to go back to work. Nice to see ya. :-) Talk to ya tonight or tomorrow.


46 posted on 04/25/2005 9:37:03 AM PDT by Wneighbor
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To: SAMWolf

Hi Sam.


47 posted on 04/25/2005 9:54:23 AM PDT by Aeronaut (I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things - Saint-Exupery)
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To: bentfeather

Hi miss Feather


48 posted on 04/25/2005 10:00:13 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (C: May the Force be with you. P: And also with you.)
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To: SAMWolf

Hiya Sam


49 posted on 04/25/2005 10:01:24 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (C: May the Force be with you. P: And also with you.)
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To: snippy_about_it

Howdy ma'am


50 posted on 04/25/2005 10:02:06 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (C: May the Force be with you. P: And also with you.)
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To: Samwise

ROFLMAO!


51 posted on 04/25/2005 10:02:39 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (C: May the Force be with you. P: And also with you.)
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To: Wneighbor

Howdy WN, have a safe trip. We've got thunderstorms in the DFW area.


52 posted on 04/25/2005 10:03:59 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (C: May the Force be with you. P: And also with you.)
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To: SAMWolf

Better late than never.

On This Day In History


Birthdates which occurred on April 25:
1214 Louis IX king of France (1226-70)
1228 Koenraad IV Roman Catholic German king (1237-54)
1284 Edward II king of England (1307-27)
1599 Oliver Cromwell Puritan lord protector of England (1653-58)
1710 James Ferguson astronomer
1792 John Keble Anglican priest/founder (Oxford Movement)
1825 Charles Ferdinand Dowd US, standardized time zones
1840 James Dearing Brigadier General (Confederate Army), died in 1865
1874 Guglielmo Marconi Bologna Italy, inventor (radio/Nobel 1909)
1906 William J Brennan Jr Newark NJ, 92nd Supreme Court judge (1956-90)
1908 Edward R Murrow Pole Creek NC, newscaster (Person to Person)
1912 Gladys L Presley mother of Elvis
1918 Ella Fitzgerald Newport News VA, jazz singer (The First Lady of Song, Is it live or Memorex, A-Tisket A-Tasket)
1923 Albert King Indianola MS, blues singer/guitarist (Bad Look Blues)
1925 Flannery O'Connor short story writer (or 03/25)
1930 Paul Mazursky Brooklyn NY, writer/director (Moscow on the Hudson)
1932 George "Meadowlark" Lemon basketball star (Harlem Globetrotter)
1940 Al Pacino New York NY, actor (And Justice For All, Godfather, Scorpio)
1942 Jon Kyl (Senator-Republican-AZ)
1945 Stu Cook Oakland CA, rock bassist (Creedence Clearwater Revival-Proud Mary)
1952 Vladislav Tretiak USSR hockey player (Olympics-gold-1972, 76)
1971 Michelle Harris Newark DE, Miss Delaware-America (1996)



Deaths which occurred on April 25:
1295 Sancho IV the Brave, scholar/king of Castile/León, dies
1342 Benedict XII [Jacques Fournier] Pope (1334-42), dies
1482 Margaret of Anjou Queen (Henry VI), dies
1607 Don Juan Alvarez Spanish Admiral (Gibraltar), dies in battle
1644 The Ming Chongzhen emperor committed suicide by hanging himself as Beijing fell to the bandit and rebel leader Li Dzucheng (39). The Qing, or Chi’ing, dynasty of China began when the Manchus invaded from Northeast China and overthrew the 300-year-old Ming Dynasty.
1744 Anders Celsius Swedish astronomer (Centegrade Thermometer), dies at 42
1840 Siméon-Denis Poisson French mathematician (Poisson verdeling), dies
1862 Charles Ferguson Smith US Union General-Major, dies of infection at 55
1882 Johann CF Zöllner German astronomer (astro photography), dies
1905 Jacob Olie Dutch photographer, dies at about 70
1937 Clem Sohn air show performer dies at 26 when his chute fails to open
1955 Paulus B Barth Swiss painter/lithographer, dies at 73
1960 Amanullah emir/king of Afhanistan (1919-28), dies at 67
1981 Dixie a mouse who lived 6½ years, dies
1982 Don Wilson TV announcer (Jack Benny Show), dies at 81
1982 John Cody US cardinal/archbishop of Chicago (1965-82), dies at 74
1982 William R Burnett US, writer (Asphalt Jungle), dies at 82
1988 Clifford D. Simak sci-fi author (Hugo, Way Station), dies at 83
1990 Dexter Gordon (67), jazz saxophonist, died in Philadelphia
1995 Art Fleming game show host (Jeopardy), dies at 74
1995 Ginger Rogers actress/dancer (Top Hat, Stage Door), dies at 83



GWOT Casualties

Iraq
25-Apr-2003 2 | US: 2 | UK: 0 | Other: 0
US 1st Lieutenant Osbaldo Orozco Tikrit (near) Hostile - vehicle accident
US Specialist Narson Bertil Sullivan Not reported Non-hostile - weapon discharge (accid.)

25-Apr-2004 2 | US: 2 | UK: 0 | Other: 0
US Specialist Kenneth A. Melton Baghdad (nr. Sadr City) Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
US Petty Officer 3rd Class Nathan B. Bruckenthal Khawr Al Amaya Oil Terminal Hostile - hostile fire - suicide boat bomb

Afghanistan
78 04/25/03 Dennis, Jerod R. Private 19 Army 3rd Battalion, 504th Parachute Infantry Regiment Hostile fire Near Ne Shkin, Afghanistan

http://icasualties.org/oif/
Data research by Pat Kneisler
Designed and maintained by Michael White


On this day...
1185 Sea battle at Dan-no-ura Minamoto Yoritomo defeats the Taira-family
1449 Anti-pope Felix V resigns
1507 Geographer Martin Waldseemuller 1st used name America
1590 The Sultan of Morocco launches a successful attack to capture Timbuktu.
1607 Battle at Gibraltar Dutch fleet defeats Spanish/Portuguese fleet
1614 Amsterdam Bank of Loan forms
1660 London Convention Parliament meets & votes to restore Charles II
1684 Patent granted for the thimble
1707 Battle of Almansa-Franco-Spanish forces defeat Anglo-Portuguese
1719 Daniel Defoes publishes "Robinson Crusoe"
1781 Gen. Nathanael Greene engages British forces at Hobkirk’s Hill, South Carolina, was forced to retreat
1792 Guillotine 1st used, executes highwayman Nicolas J Pelletier
1850 Paul Julius Reuter, use 40 pigeons to carry stock market prices
1859 Ground broken for Suez Canal
1861 7th New York arrives to reinforce Washington DC
1861 Battle of Lavaca TX
1862 Battle of New Orleans LA - US Admiral Farragut occupies New Orleans
1864 Battle of Marks' Mill AR (Camden Expedition)
1867 Tokyo is opened for foreign trade
1875 Latest date for measurable snow in NYC (3")
1876 Chicago Cubs 1st National League game, beats Louisville 4-0 (1st National League shutout)
1881 250,000 Germans petition to bar foreign Jews from entering Germany
1881 French troops occupy Algeria & Tunisia
1886 Sigmund Freud opens practice at Rathausstrasse 7, Vienna
1896 Fight in Central Dance Hall starts fire (Cripple Creek CO)
1901 New York becomes 1st state requiring auto license plates ($1 fee)
1901 In last of 9th, Detroit Tigers, trailing by 13-4, score 10 runs to win one of the greatest comebacks in baseball (1st game in Detroit).
1915 78,000 ANZAC troops land at Gallipoli
1925 Paul von Hindenburg elected 2nd President of Germany (Adolf Hitler is 3rd)
1926 Persian cossack officer Reza Chan crowns himself Shah Palawi
1927 Spain routes 20,000 soldiers to Morocco (uprising Rifkabylen)
1928 Buddy, a German Shepherd, becomes 1st guide dog for the blind
1933 US & Canada drop Gold Standard
1944 United Negro College Fund incorporates
1945 46 countries convene United Nations Conference on International Organization in San Francisco CA
1945 Clandestine Radio 1212, used to hoax Nazi Germany's final transmission
1945 Last Boeing B-17 attack against Nazi Germany
1945 US & Soviet forces meet at Torgau Germany on Elbe River
1945 Red army completely surrounds Berlin
1947 Trial against WWII mayor of Amsterdam Edward Voûte begins
1950 Chuck Cooper becomes the 1st black to play in the NBA
1951 After a three day fight in the Battle of Imjim River against Chinese Communist Forces, the Gloucestershire Regiment was annihilated on “Gloucester Hill,” in Korea.
1952 American Bowling Congress approves use of an automatic pinsetter
1952 6th NBA Championship Minneapolis Lakers beat New York Knicks, 4 games to 3
1953 Scientists identify DNA
1954 Bell labs announces 1st solar battery (New York NY)
1954 British raid Nairobi Kenya (25,000 Mau Mau suspects are arrested)
1954 US performs atmospheric nuclear test at Bikini Island
1956 Elvis Presley's "Heartbreak Hotel" goes #1
1957 1st experimental sodium nuclear reactor operated
1957 Ibrahim Hashim forms Jordanian government
1959 St Lawrence Seaway linking Atlantic, Great Lakes opens to shipping
1960 1st submerged circumnavigation of Earth completed (Triton)
1961 Mercury/Atlas rocket lifted off with an electronic mannequin
1961 Robert Noyce patents integrated circuit
1961 Premier Moïse Tsjombe of Katanga arrested in Congo
1967 Abortion legalized in Colorado
1967 Jules Feiffer's "Little Murders", premieres in NYC
1971 About 200,000 anti-Vietnam War protesters march on Washington DC
1972 Hans-Werner Grosse glides 907.7 miles (1,461 km) in an AS-W-12
1974 Chancellor Willy Brandt's Secretary Günther Guillaume found to be a spy
1974 Marcello Caetano overthrown in Portugal; he is exiled to Madeira and later to Brazil (Carnation revolution)
1975 Mario Soares' Socialist Party wins 1st free election in Portugal
1975 West German embassy blown-up in Stockholm Sweden


1976 Cub centerfielder Rick Monday rescues US flag from 2 fans trying to set it on fire


1976 Elections in Vietnam for a National Assembly to reunite the country (one man one vote one party one time)


1978 William Clinton (31), attorney general of Arkansas and candidate for governor, sexually assaulted Juanita Broaddrick at the Camelot Inn in Little Rock. Broaddrick made the story public on national TV in 1999


1978 Supreme Court rules pension plans can't require women to pay more
1979 "Rock 'n Roll High Schools" premieres
1979 Peace treaty between Israel & Egypt goes into effect
1980 Announcement of Jimmy Carter hostage rescue bungle in Iran
1982 In accordance with Camp David, Israel completes Sinai withdrawal
1983 Yuri Andropov invites US schoolgirl Samantha Smith to USSR
1984 Rock group Wings disbands
1985 For 2nd time, Wayne Gretzky, scores 7 goals in a Cup game
1985 West German Parliament ruled it illegal to deny the holocaust
1986 ETA bomb attacks Madrid killing 5
1988 John Demjanjuk (Ivan the Terrible), sentenced to death in Jerusalem
1990 Hubble space telescope is placed into orbit by shuttle Discovery
1991 Lisa Olson brings suit against NFL New England Patriots for sexual harassment
1992 “Take Our Daughters to Work Day.” begins.
1993 Russia elects Boris Yeltsin leader
1994 14" of snow in Southern California
1994 King Azlan Shah of Malaysia resigns
1994 Mexican businessman & billionaire Angel Losada kidnapped
1998 First lady Hillary Rodham Clinton testified(lies) via videotape for the Little Rock, Ark., grand jury in the Whitewater case.
1999 Vice President Al Gore was among the 70,000 who attended a memorial service for the victims of the Columbine High School shootings five days earlier.
2000 Ohio state motto, “with God, all things are possible,” was declared unconstitutional by a federal appeals court
2001 In unusually blunt terms, President Bush warned China that an attack on Taiwan could provoke a U.S. military response.
2001 A rescue plane flew out of the South Pole with ailing American doctor Ronald S. Shemenski in the most daring airlift ever from the pole.
2003 Farouk Hijazi, who once helped run Saddam Hussein's intelligence service and was linked to al-Qaida, was delivered by Syria to US forces.
2004 Apr 25, Pope John Paul II added six more people to the ranks of Catholics on the path to possible sainthood. Honored were: August Czartoryski (1858-1893) of Poland, a prince who became a Salesian priest; Laura Montoya (1874-1949) of Colombia, who founded the Congregation of the Missionary Sisters of the Immaculate Mary; Maria Guadalupe Garcia Zavala (1878-1963) of Mexico, co-founder of the Congregation of the Servants of Saint Margaret Mary and the Poor; Nemesia Valle (1847-1916) of Italy, a nun of the Congregation of the Sisters of Charity of Saint Giovanna Antida Thouret; Eusebia Palomino Yenes (1899-1935) of Spain; a nun of the Institute of the Daughters of Mary, Help of Christians; and da Costa (1904-1955), who became a lay Salesian cooperator.


Holidays
Note: Some Holidays are only applicable on a given "day of the week"

Australia, Nauru, New Zealand, Solomon Is, Tonga, W Samoa : ANZAC Day (1915)
Azores : Portugal's Day (1974)
Italy : Liberation Day
Portugal : Revolution Day (1974)
England : Cuckoo Day
Babylon : New Years Day (except leap years)
Swaziland : Flag Day
Alabama, Florida, Mississippi : Confederate Memorial Day (1868) (Monday)
US : National Dream Weekend
US : National Earthquake Awareness Week Begins
Actors Appreciation Month


Religious Observances
Ancient Rome : Robigalia; god of mildew asked not to harm
Anglican, Roman Catholic, Lutheran : Feast of St Mark the Evangelist
Christian : Latest possible date for Easter (eg 1943, 2038)
Roman Catholic : Commemoration of the Greater Litanies
Christian : National Christian College Day
Buddhist-Laos : Buddhist Holiday


Religious History
1530 The Augsburg Confession was read publicly at the Diet of Worms. Written principally by Philip Melanchthon, the document comprised the first official summary of the Lutheran faith.
1792 Birth of John Keble, English clergyman and poet. Credited with having founded the Oxford Movement in 1833, Keble also authored the hymn, "Sun of My Soul, Thou Savior Dear" (1820).
1800 Death of William Cowper, 69, English poet. A lifelong victim of depression, Cowper nevertheless left a great spiritual literary legacy, including three enduring hymns: "God Moves in a Mysterious Way," "Oh, For a Closer Walk with God" and "There is a Fountain."
1929 The Romanian Orthodox Episcopate of America was organized in Detroit, partly in response to the insurgence of Communism in Eastern Europe. Previously, its parishes were under jurisdiction of the Patriarchate in Bucharest, Hungary.
1982 Captured in 1967, the Sinai Peninsula was returned by Israel to Egypt, as part of the 1979 Camp David Accord.

Source: William D. Blake. ALMANAC OF THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH. Minneapolis: Bethany House, 1987.


Thought for the day :
"Spring shows what God can do with a drab and dirty world."


53 posted on 04/25/2005 4:48:42 PM PDT by Valin (There is no sense in being pessimistic. It would not work anyway.)
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To: Samwise

LOL!


54 posted on 04/25/2005 4:57:16 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Liberal Rule #25: Coddle criminals, who cares about the victims!)
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To: Iris7

I agree.

It's the guy with the batonet who digs the enemy out of his foxhole and forces him to sign the surrender documents that win the war. Air power is just a really good help in paving the way.


55 posted on 04/25/2005 4:59:23 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Liberal Rule #25: Coddle criminals, who cares about the victims!)
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To: tomball

Afternoon tomball. Nice pic of a B-29 being assembled.


56 posted on 04/25/2005 5:00:08 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Liberal Rule #25: Coddle criminals, who cares about the victims!)
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To: Valin
1978 William Clinton (31), attorney general of Arkansas and candidate for governor, sexually assaulted Juanita Broaddrick at the Camelot Inn in Little Rock. Broaddrick made the story public on national TV in 1999

Put some ice on it,Juanita

57 posted on 04/25/2005 5:03:29 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Liberal Rule #25: Coddle criminals, who cares about the victims!)
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf; Iris7
Evening Grace Folks~

LeMay clearly was the best man for the job but IMHO he wasn't simply battling complex logistical problems and headquarters staff in Washington. He was battling "engine overheating" and operational problems. On virtually every mission most of these aircraft had to abort due to engine problems.

Poststrike photos revealed that only one bomb landed near the target -- the steel mill was not even scratched. One B-29 was shot down by flak, and six more were lost in accidents. The mission was nevertheless hailed as a success by the American press -- Japan had been attacked.

I'm sorry . . . did that read "American press" called it a success? Must have been an anomaly.

Ms. Snip, you asked a VERY series question last night that I must NOT let go unanswered. YES! I played golf on Sat. much to my satisfaction. Yesterday, I attempted to do a network "printer share" between my laptop and desktop. If you felt tremers yesterday afternoon it was me going ballistic. Don't ever try to configure Win98SE with XPpro. Six hours of trouble shooting and I didn't accomplish a bloody thing. /venting.

58 posted on 04/25/2005 5:07:00 PM PDT by w_over_w (God bless our country and comfort the families of our fallen heros.)
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To: w_over_w

I'm sorry . . . did that read "American press" called it a success? Must have been an anomaly.

As the old saying goes, That was then...This is now.


59 posted on 04/25/2005 5:20:51 PM PDT by Valin (There is no sense in being pessimistic. It would not work anyway.)
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To: SAMWolf; snippy_about_it; Neil E. Wright; A Jovial Cad; Diver Dave; Aeronaut; E.G.C.; alfa6; ...
The late-head of the custom homebuilding company was a WWII-era Army engineer whose expression of a difficult
and complex task was to say, "You might as well put him at the controls of a B-29 and tell him to 'fly it to the coast'."

Full Size

Bomberspankentruppen installs one of five armor glass windows in the tail gunner's compartment.
These sections were built at Boeing's Hoquiam, Washington-facility.
Photo courtesy Boeing Historical Archives. Boeing Photo P5602.

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In any case, Hap Arnold was on target in his prediction -- a war can be fought and won through the right use of strategic air power.

A nuclear bomb will get the enemy's attention. A second one will go a long way toward winning their hearts and minds, but that occurred in the context of the greatest amphibious operation ever assembled on earth--an operation which was poised to finish the job had they not surrendered.

We should decapitate the Iranian regime immediately. Should they assemble nuclear weapons they will strike first in an asymmetrical manner.


60 posted on 04/25/2005 5:42:16 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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