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The FReeper Foxhole Remembers the Duel at Dessau (4/21/1945) - Dec 9th, 2004
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Posted on 12/09/2004 12:34:49 AM PST by SAMWolf



Lord,

Keep our Troops forever in Your care

Give them victory over the enemy...

Grant them a safe and swift return...

Bless those who mourn the lost.
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FReepers from the Foxhole join in prayer
for all those serving their country at this time.


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DUEL AT DESSAU
3AD's "Super Pershing"
vs
Germany's "King Tiger"
WWII's two most powerful tanks meet in a historic encounter


Only three days before the 3rd Armored Division's final combat action of WWII, a Super Pershing of the 33rd Armored Regiment met and defeated the most powerful and most heavily armored German tank of the war - the legendary 77-ton King Tiger, also known as the Tiger II or Tiger Royal. It would be the first and only meeting between a King Tiger and the Super Pershing, a modified standard M26 Pershing weighing 53 tons - an almost "secret" tank that, to this day, remains largely an enigma to military historians.



Only two Super Pershings were ever built, and the 3AD had the only one in the European Theater - an experimental version with its remarkably long barrel. Arriving very late in the war (March, 1945), it was field tested and modified inside Germany and subsequently saw about ten days of actual combat action, beginning several days after the Battle of Paderborn and ending with the Battle of Dessau on the Elbe River.

The Super Pershing (aka T26E4-1) was equipped with a new long-barreled T15E1 90mm gun that was designed to out-perform the German high-velocity 88mm on the King Tiger. This new U.S. gun had successfully penetrated 8.5 inches of armor at 1,000 yards at 30 degrees. Even more remarkable, it had penetrated 13 inches of armor at 100 yards. The special 90mm ammunition had produced a muzzle velocity of 3,850 feet per second, or some 600 feet per second faster than the 88mm of the King Tiger. But in testing, the new 90mm also proved to have amazing range and accuracy.


The "Super Pershing" T26E4-1 (originally designated T26E1-1) is shown at Aberdeen Proving Ground, Maryland, in early 1945, shortly before being shipped to the 3rd Armored Division inside Germany via England. Additional armor plating and other modifications were made in Germany.


Army ordinance technicians (in the U.S. and Europe) had been anxious about getting the new tank into combat, hoping to match it against a King Tiger. But by April, 1945, German armor west of Berlin had dramatically thinned out, not to mention an extreme shortage of fuel, and the odds of spotting the monster German tank were slim. But in Dessau on April 21, "luck" would befall the Super Pershing crew commanded by SSgt Joe Maduri, a veteran 3AD tanker in his tenth straight month of combat.

The 3AD had begun a four-pronged attack on the city, which was heavily defended. Division armor were finally able to enter the city slowly after numerous concrete tank barriers were destroyed. With 3AD tanks fanning out, and 36th Infantry riflemen following, the Super Pershing reached an intersection and began to round a corner to its right. Unknown to its crew, a King Tiger had apparently been waiting in ambush at a distance of two blocks or roughly 600 yards away, and in the same direction that the Americans were turning into.


German King Tiger, or Tiger II.


At this distance, easily within its capability, the Tiger fired at the Super Pershing. But its infamous high-velocity 88mm shell, of the type that had destroyed so many American tanks and vehicles during the war, went high and was not even close. Gunner Cpl John "Jack" Irwin, only 18 years old, responded almost instantly with a round that struck the Tiger's huge angled glasis, or front plate. But the shot, a non-armor-piercing high explosive (HE) shell, had no effect. Ricocheting off the armor, it shot skyward and exploded harmlessly. The Super Pershing had been loaded with an HE only because Irwin had been expecting urban targets, such as buildings, personnel, and light anti-tank guns. "AP!", he shouted to his loader "Pete," which meant an armor-piercing shell would be next.

Maduri and crew then felt a concussion or thud on the turret. It was never known if this shot came from the Tiger, or from some other anti-tank weapon. In any case, no serious damage was done - probably a lucky glancing impact. In the next instant, Irwin aimed and fired a second time, just as the royal monster was moving forward and raising up over a pile of rubble. The 90mm AP round penetrated the Tiger's underbelly, apparently striking the ammo well and resulting in a tremendous explosion that blew its turret loose. With near certainty, the entire crew was killed.


3AD soldiers above in 1945: Staff Sgt. Joseph Maduri of Massachusetts, commander of the Super Pershing, is shown in portrait at right and in middle of group photo. Corporal John P. Irwin of Pennsylvania, the tank's gunner, is at right in the group. Crewman at far left is believed to be "Pete" (last name not yet known). Not in the photo are the two remaining crewmen, whose names are not yet known (Photos from the Maduri family)


But there was no time to examine their "trophy." A battle was raging, and the Super Pershing continued down the street, passing the lifeless and burning King Tiger. Tough fighting still lay ahead, as German bazooka, Panzerfaust, and machine-gun fire came from windows and doorways.



The encounter with the King Tiger had been "short and sweet," lasting less than twenty seconds. It may not have been the titanic "slug fest" that could have occurred on an open field, but it was an overwhelming victory for the quick-reacting Super Pershing crew. The battle for Dessau would end completely on the following day, but not without the Super Pershing destroying another German heavy tank (believed to be a 50-ton Panther Mark V) with two shots. The first disabling its drive sprocket, and the second round completely penetrating the tank's side armor. That apparently set off an internal blast, again probably from stored ammo. And, still in Dessau, that was followed by Maduri and crew forcing the commander of a German medium tank to surrender without firing a shot. For the German crew, out of ammo for their main gun, the intimidating "look" of that long-barrel 90mm gun that must have destroyed any remaining will to fight or flee.



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To: bentfeather

Morning Feather.


41 posted on 12/09/2004 11:24:17 AM PST by SAMWolf (I was on a roll, 'till I slipped on the butter.)
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To: U S Army EOD

Saw that movie a loooong time ago.


42 posted on 12/09/2004 11:24:39 AM PST by SAMWolf (I was on a roll, 'till I slipped on the butter.)
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To: Valin
1965 "A Charlie Brown Christmas" premieres

And it's been shown every year since, it's the cartoon veron of "It's a Wonderful Life"

43 posted on 12/09/2004 11:28:16 AM PST by SAMWolf (I was on a roll, 'till I slipped on the butter.)
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To: Darksheare

Even with it's faults, the King Tiger is impressive.


44 posted on 12/09/2004 11:28:49 AM PST by SAMWolf (I was on a roll, 'till I slipped on the butter.)
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To: stand watie

Free Dixie!!


45 posted on 12/09/2004 11:29:04 AM PST by SAMWolf (I was on a roll, 'till I slipped on the butter.)
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To: SZonian
I'm a WWII armor buff (my favorite model building genre)

Built a whole lot of armor models in my day. Found Tamiya to be some of the best. Welcome to the Foxhole, check out Treadhead Tuesdays.

46 posted on 12/09/2004 11:31:27 AM PST by SAMWolf (I was on a roll, 'till I slipped on the butter.)
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To: SAMWolf; snippy_about_it
Be very careful with those high winds. If the power goes out with your computer running you're liable to have problems.

Nice weather today. Tempertures in the low 60's. My uncle and aunt from New Mexico visiting today.

How's it going, Snippy?

47 posted on 12/09/2004 11:32:02 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: U S Army EOD

the US "Tank Destroyer" doctrine didn't quite work out as we planned, seemed our enemies wouldn't cooperate.


48 posted on 12/09/2004 11:32:47 AM PST by SAMWolf (I was on a roll, 'till I slipped on the butter.)
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To: Grzegorz 246
Morning Grzegorz 246


49 posted on 12/09/2004 11:35:53 AM PST by SAMWolf (I was on a roll, 'till I slipped on the butter.)
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To: PAR35

Thanks Par35.

We haven't been able to keep up with the "compiled list" what do you have in mind?


50 posted on 12/09/2004 11:36:47 AM PST by SAMWolf (I was on a roll, 'till I slipped on the butter.)
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To: Professional Engineer

I'd hate to pay the insurance on it. =:-o


51 posted on 12/09/2004 11:37:57 AM PST by SAMWolf (I was on a roll, 'till I slipped on the butter.)
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf
Great post! I wonder how that crew was lucky enough to draw the only Super Pershing in the ETO?

How's the gunners book? I haven't heard of this one.

Is the store opening tomorrow? Best of luck to both of you!

52 posted on 12/09/2004 12:00:43 PM PST by colorado tanker (The People Have Spoken)
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To: Professional Engineer

Wow! Great picture of an honorable man. (It is amazing how much he has aged in the last 4 years.)


53 posted on 12/09/2004 12:21:40 PM PST by msdrby (remind me to drink more water... and less coffee)
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To: SAMWolf

I was thinking of indexing them by time periods and by subject. I occasionaly like to refer back to an old thread, and finding it can take an effort. It may be that it is more than I'll be able to handle, but I'll give it a try.


54 posted on 12/09/2004 12:38:17 PM PST by PAR35
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To: SAMWolf
All of the armies went into 1914 with the wrong machines and doctrine, obviously a silly attachment to horses instead of trucks and foot propulsion instead of tracked.

After the war the vets who had seen combat got to design things for a while, but their experience was only appropriate until about 1930. They were obsessed with water cooled machine guns, infantry tanks, and uninterested in radio and motorized combined arms warfare (except in Germany, natch).

World War II, ditto. The Abrams tank is what Creighton Abrams wanted for his attack from the south to Bastogne to cut the Ardennes Offensive, what he wanted instead of the Sherman.

Current crop of helicopters come from the Viet Nam guys.

I think the HMMV comes from being embarrassed by the Germans in training maneuvers in German mud. The Germans loved driving off the track into the really deep mud with their UniMogs to drive around stuck American vehicles on the track, especially when the line of stuck American vehicles was a half mile long. The Germans would drive through the real mud, around all those stuck Americans, and lay on a big smirk.

The Oshkosh tactical trucks come from this design criteria as well. The Army was real mad that the trucks were not "real mudders", that is, could not do the Germans one back.
55 posted on 12/09/2004 12:45:18 PM PST by Iris7 (.....to protect the Constitution from all enemies, both foreign and domestic. Same bunch, anyway.)
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To: colorado tanker

Haven't read the book.


We're gonna open tomorrow come hell or high water. :-)


56 posted on 12/09/2004 12:53:08 PM PST by SAMWolf (I was on a roll, 'till I slipped on the butter.)
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To: PAR35

Go for it. We'd appreciate it, we have trouble finding old ones too.


57 posted on 12/09/2004 12:54:00 PM PST by SAMWolf (I was on a roll, 'till I slipped on the butter.)
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To: SAMWolf

But they did destroy some tanks as long as they didn't have to fight infantry.


58 posted on 12/09/2004 1:00:29 PM PST by U S Army EOD (John Kerry, the mother of all flip floppers.I)
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To: SAMWolf

Today's classic warship, USS Kimberly (DD-521)

Fletcher class destroyer

Displacement. 2,050
Lenght. 376'6"
Beam. 39'8"
Draft. 17'9"
Speed. 35 k.
Complement. 273
Armament. 5 5", 14 40mm., 12 20mm., 6 dcp., 2 dct., 5 21" tt.

USS Kimberly (DD-521) was launched 4 February 1943, by Bethlehem Steel Co., Staten Island, N.Y.; sponsored by Miss Elsie S. Kimberly, daughter of Admiral Kimberly; and commissioned 22 May 1943, Comdr. H. W. Smith in command.

After shakedown Kimberly cleared Norfolk 10 September 1943, and steamed toward the action in the Pacific. Following additional training at Pearl Harbor, the destroyer arrived off Makin 20 November to begin the Navy's relentless conquest of Micronesia. Throughout the Gilbert Islands campaign, the destroyer served in ASW screen for the battleships and cruisers supporting marines fighting ashore with deadly accurate and devastating gunfire.

Kimberly departed Tarawa 6 December for the West Coast. After repairs at San Francisco, she sailed 22 January 1944, for the Aleutian Islands. Operating with Rear Admiral Baker's Task Force 94, the destroyer departed Attu 1 February to silence enemy antiaircraft batteries on Suribachi Wan and Kurabi Saki. Kimberly remained in the Aleutians for 7 months on ASW patrol, offensive sweeps, bombardment of the Kuriles, and training exercises before steaming toward San Francisco 18 September.

As the tempo of the Pacific war quickened, Kimberly arrived at Manus, Admiralty Islands, to prepare for her roles in the reconquest of the Philippines. In 10 November she departed escorting a supply convoy to Leyte Gulf, carrying material to replenish U.S. forces there. On the evening of 21 December, while Kimberly escorted another convoy to Mangarin Bay, Mindoro, Japanese suicide planes attacked the American ships. During the 2-hour battle, Kimberly's guns splashed one plane and assisted in the downing of two others. After repulsing the attack, the convoy proceeded to Mangarin Bay bringing men and material for the construction of an airstrip and a PT-boat base needed to support the invasion of Luzon, Kimberly's next mission.

The destroyer departed Leyte 2 January 1945, screening a preinvasion battleship group. En route, during one of many kamikaze attacks, the destroyer scored another kill. Arriving off Lingayen Gulf 6 January, the bombardment group was immediately placed on alert to ward off the fanatic enemy suicide pilots. That day Kimberly splashed two more planes. For the remainder of the month, she bombarded enemy railroad and supply centers.

During February the destroyer prepared for the Okinawa campaign which would advance American forces next door to the Japanese homeland. Departing San Pedro Bay 21 March for radar picket duty, the destroyer off the Ryukyus, was attacked 26 March by two "Vals." Despite accurate antiaircraft fire and numerous hits, one enemy plane, trailing fire and smoke, crashed into the aft gun mounts killing 4 men and wounding 57. Kimberly cleared the area 1 April for repairs at Mare Island arriving 25 April.

Returning to the fight, she cleared Pearl Harbor 10 August but Japan capitulated as the veteran destroyer steamed to join the 3d fleet in the Far East. She entered Tokyo Bay 4 September and 2 days later sailed, escorting Missouri. In company with the famed battleship, she arrived Philadelphia 18 October. After Navy Day ceremonies, Kimberly departed Philadelphia 2 November and arrived Charleston, S.C., the next day. She remained there until 5 February 1947 when she was placed in reserve.

The United States shrank her Navy too far. Encouraged by the weakness, the Communists struck in Korea. As fast as crews and material could be assembled, the nation rebuilt her fleet. Kimberly recommissioned 8 February 1951, Comdr. O B. Parker in command. After shakedown out of Guantanamo and exercises along the coast, she cleared Norfolk 15 May 19.51, and steamed to the Pacific as reinforcement. She arrived Yokosuka 18 June and 5 days later sailed for fire support operations off the western coast of Korea. The destroyer also acted as ASW screen and plane guard for the carriers during the raids on enemy positions ashore. In mid-September she arrived off Formosa for patrol operations before sailing 6 October via the Philippines. the Suez Canal, and the Mediterranean, for the United States.

Arriving Norfolk 12 December, Kimberly operated along the Atlantic coast and Caribbean on training exercises until she arrived Charleston, S.C., 20 June 1953. She remained there and decommissioned 15 January 1954.

After 12 years in the Atlantic Reserve Fleet at Charleston, S.C., Kimberly proceeded to Boston Naval Shipyard in July 1966 for overhaul prior to being loaned to the government of the Republic of China. In June 1967, she was transferred to the Republic of China. Renamed An Yang, she served in the ROC Navy until 1999. She was sunk as a target on October 14 2003.

Kimberly received five battle stars for World War II and one star for Korean service.

59 posted on 12/09/2004 1:04:00 PM PST by aomagrat (Where weapons are not allowed, it is best to carry weapons.)
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To: aomagrat

IMHO the Fletcher's were the ultimate in DD's.


60 posted on 12/09/2004 1:46:12 PM PST by SAMWolf (I was on a roll, 'till I slipped on the butter.)
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