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The FReeper Foxhole's TreadHead Tuesday - Tankettes Part III (Russian) - Nov. 23rd, 2004
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Posted on 11/23/2004 12:06:58 AM PST by SAMWolf



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The T-27 Tankette




One of the first tankettes was developed by Englishman Major J. Martel. In his own repair shop, he constructed his tankette from spare parts and elements of common cars. It was a single-seat vehicle with very light armor protection, and was armed with one machine-gun. In trials, the tankette achieved a speed of 24 km/h.

Almost simultaneously, a small single-seat tankette was developed by another Englishman, engineer J. Carden, in which the driver was in a prone position. The first tankettes were full of various defects and imperfections and none of them were put into mass production.


The original British Mk.IV Carden-Lyod armed with the 7.92mm Vickers


Taking into account the defects of the first tankettes, engineers started working on two-seater vehicles, which were ready by 1927. The two-seater variant was chosen because engineers doubted that one person would be able to act as driver, machine-gunner, and observer simultaneously.

The most successful tankette was a two-seater that went through numerous modifications and improvements and was finally accepted for service in 1929 under the "Mk IV Carden-Loyd" designation. It was manufactured by Vickers-Armstrong. The tankette was quite popular, and it was sold to sixteen countries all over the world, including Poland, Italy, Czechoslovakia, France, Japan, Canada, Belgium and Egypt.


The MK.IV Carden-Lyod


By the mid 1920's, France paid little attention to the development of light tankettes. However, the obvious success of the English attracted their attention and compelled French engineers to start their own work on tankettes. In 1929, they developed the single-seated tankette called the "Sabat." This vehicle was intended to be transported by a truck, and in battle it ran on its tracks. The tankette was operated by a driver who was in the prone position. During a non-combat situation, the driver could operate the tankette in a sitting posture. France received a license to manufacture the Carden-Loyd, and this defined the future development of French tankettes. For example, in 1933, the "supply tank" Renault UE was developed, and later it was converted to a common tankette.


The Italian C.V.29 (former Carden-Loyd) armed with the 6.5-mm Fiat Mod.14 machine-gun.


Italy received a license for the Mk IV as well, and then manufactured it under the designation C.V.29 where the "29" stood for the year it was accepted for service. These vehicles were used quite intensively during the Spanish Civil War. Poland developed its own reconnaissance tank TK-3 (1931) and then the TKS (1934) which were copied from the original Carden-Loyd. The Czech developed and manufactured the MU-4 tankette.

In Russia, the very first tankette project was independently developed in 1919 by the Russian engineer I. Maksimov. The tankette was named "Sh'itonoska" which meant "Shield Carrier." The vehicle was armed with one machine-gun and was operated by a single crewman who was in the prone position.


The T-23 experimental tankette.


By the end of the 1920's, new rules and regulations for the Red Army were introduced. The regulations defined the future development of the domestic armored fighting vehicles, and in particular they stipulated the "development and manufacture of a small reconnaissance tank" that was intended for co-operation with the MS-1 tanks as well as for reconnaissance and for communication purposes.

In the period of 1927 to 1930, the Design Bureau of the VOAO ("Vsesouznoe Orudijno-Arsenal'noe Ob'edinenie" - "All-Union Arsenal Association") designed several tankettes based on the chassis of the T-16 light tank: the T-17, the T-21 (only a paper project), the T-23, and the T-25 (paper project). The T-23 was designed in two variants: one with a turret, and the other turretless. The T-25 was a modernized variant of the T-17 tankette.


The K.Sirken's SP Gun based on the T-27. This variant armed with the 37-mm Hochkiss and the DT TMG. 1931


All of these vehicles were quite good for the time, although they had many flaws. These defects would have taken a lot of time to correct, and because of this, the idea came up to buy a license for the Carden-Loyd Mk IV. In 1930, the Soviet Union bought the first batch of 26 original Carden-Loyd tankettes from Britain. In the Soviet Union, these vehicles were re-named the 25-V (some archive documents name them the K-25). Also, the Soviet Union bought a license to mass produce these vehicles.


The front view of the K.Sirken's SP Gun. 1931


According to the production plan, in 1930 to 1931, 290 tankettes had to be manufactured, and after that 400 tankettes per year. The manufacture was set up in the Autozavod #2 VATO in Moscow (in 1932, this factory was renamed to Factory #37).


Another variant of the K.Sirken's SP Gun. 1931


iHowever, Soviet engineers weren't fully satisfied with the original Carden-Loyd tankette and before its mass production they significantly modernised it (the Chief Engineer was N. Kozyrev, and the Lead Engineer was K. Sirken). The hull's dimensions were increased, the running gear was improved, and the machine-gun mount was modified for the installation of a DT machine-gun. Some other improvements were made to take into account the USSR's geographic and climatic conditions and the Russian mindset.

Due to the modernisation, the new tankette was significantly changed from the British original, and that is why on February 13, 1931, it was accepted for service under the "T-27" designation. The T-27 was manufactured simultaneously in two factories: the Bolshevik factory in Leningrad, and the newly-built automobile factory in Nizhnij Novgorod (later it was named GAZ).


T-27 in order of the Kalinovsky Brigade. Summer 1933.


The hull of the T-27 was assembled of rolled-armor plates which were fastened by rivets and partially welded. On the roof there were two squared hatches. All joints of the armor plates were pressurised by canvas gaskets to increase the fording depth of the T-27. The tankette was armed with one 7.62 mm DT Machine-Gun Model 1929. The T-27 didn't have any internal and external communication devices, as communication between vehicles was supposed to be conducted through signal flags, which was typical for Soviet tanks of that time.

The vehicle was powered by the GAZ-AA water-cooled four-cylinder gasoline engine (copied from the Ford-AA) rated at 40 h.p at 220 rpm. The crew consisted of two men: the commander/machine-gunner and the driver.

The tankette was used for reconnaissance by mechanized forces of the Red Army. Until the end of 1932, 65 tankette battalions were formed, with about 50 tankettes per battalion. In the future, the number of those battalions was restricted to 23.


The summary output of the T-27.


At the inception of the Red Army's mechanised forces, the T-27 tankettes played a very important role, but later on, this role was reduced due to the development of more modern vehicles. By January 1, 1937, 2,547 T-27s remained in service.

In the beginning of the 1930's, T-27s were successfully used in Central Asia (in the Kara Kum Desert in particular) to combat the Basmach (the name for any anti-Bolshevik Asiatic natives). By the end of the 1930's, the T-27 was removed from Red Army front-line service, and thereafter used for training purposes. In addition, some tankettes were sent to the OSOAVIAKhIM (The Association for Assistance of Defense, Aircraft and Chemical Development). After some improvements, T-27s were used for towing battalion field guns (37-mm and 45-mm calibres).

By January 1, 1941, 2,157 T-27 tankettes remained in service, and some of them took part in the initial stages of the Great Patriotic War. The last mentioned combat use of T-27s was during the Battle for Moscow (winter 1941-42): on December 1, 1941, some T-27 tankettes supported the attack of the 71st Independent Marine Brigade in the Yakhroma area.


T-27s on the military parade in Moscow.


The army found that the T-27 was very simple and undemanding in operation. However, due to its narrow tracks, the tankette wasn't effective in swamps and snowy terrain. The dimensions of the T-27 were so small that only shorter men could get in it. Moreover, experience showed that the lack of a traversing turret and an ability to swim across rivers was a hinderance. Later, these features were realised in the T-37 and the T-38 light tanks.

The Soviets tried to enlarge the tactical abilities of the T-27. For example, in 1933, a small batch of self-propelled 37-mm Hochkiss guns was manufactured by the Bolshevik factory in Leningrad. These SP guns were based on the chassis of the T-27. Some of those vehicles were additionally armed with the DT machine-gun. Because the vehicle was very small, the ammunition load was located separately in the tracked trailer that was towed behind the vehicle.

In 1932, one T-27 was rearmed with a flamethrower (the flamethrower had a range of 25 metres). This vehicle was tested in 1932, and in 1935 a batch of 164 flamethrower tankettes was produced. Combat records for these vehicles are not yet available.


The SP-Gun with the 76-mm Gun KT-27


In 1933 to 1934, the Special Design Bureau of the Krasniy Putilovetz factory designed a self-propelled gun in which the 76.2 mm KT gun was mounted on the T-27's chassis. The gun was carried by one vehicle, and the crew and ammunition were transported in a second vehicle. The project and five experimental vehicles were intended for support of Red Army motorised troops.

The gun was either mounted in the open or was protected by an armored shield (like common field guns). However, the chassis was overloaded, and the new vehicle was unable to run off-road because its engine quickly overheated. Further work was cancelled.


The T-27 armed with the Kurchevsky's 76-mm recoilless gun


In 1933, a self-propelled gun armed with Kurchevsky's 76-mm recoilless gun was developed. The vehicle successfully passed all tests on the proving ground and was sent to the army's trials which it failed because of the poor ballistics of the gun. The gun was also unstable when it fired and it was unsafe to operate.

Grokhovsky's Design Bureau also developed a tankette armed with two unguided missiles. These missiles were located on both sides of the hull.

Several T-27s were pressurised and supplied with special equipment for underwater river crossings.


The T-27 being transported by the TB-3 bomber


In March of 1930, ordered by M. N. Tukhachevsky, the first motorised airborne forces were formed. Initially, the troops were equipped with MS-1 light tanks, but later on they were replaced with T-27 tankettes. The troops consisted of four battalions. By 1933, each battalion included one company of T-27 tankettes.

In 1935, T-27's were transported by TB-1 and TB-3 bombers during military manoeuvers. The tankettes were suspended under the planes by a special mechanism developed by engineer A. F. Kravtzev.



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To: Aeronaut

Good afternoon Aeronaut.


41 posted on 11/23/2004 1:34:29 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: E.G.C.

Good morning EGC.


42 posted on 11/23/2004 1:34:48 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: bentfeather

Good afternoon feather.


43 posted on 11/23/2004 1:35:19 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: GailA

Good afternoon Gail. Drizzly here. Thanks for the coffee.


44 posted on 11/23/2004 1:35:55 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: The Mayor

Just as I am. Can't think of anyone but Billy Graham when I hear that song.


45 posted on 11/23/2004 1:41:31 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Professional Engineer

Thanks PE. Cool.


46 posted on 11/23/2004 1:41:54 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Valin
Excuses for Being Late for Work...
It was Senator Kennedy's turn to drive today, so I've spent the last hour swimming.

LOL.

47 posted on 11/23/2004 1:43:14 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Matthew Paul

Thank you Matt. We hear nothing here about it. Let us hope the word spreads so the news media picks up the story. Prayers for an independent Ukraine.

The EU is not united but out for themselves, individually.


48 posted on 11/23/2004 1:46:56 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Aeronaut

Afternoon Aeronaut


49 posted on 11/23/2004 1:47:01 PM PST by SAMWolf (I once tripped and fell in a forest, and didn't make a sound.)
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To: Grzegorz 246

Thanks for the links Grzegorz.


50 posted on 11/23/2004 1:48:03 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: E.G.C.; bentfeather

Afternoon.

Been drizzling all day. We finally got the last of the inventory checked in and into the system. Now comes the fun part, pricing it so we can really be capitalists. ;-)


51 posted on 11/23/2004 1:49:35 PM PST by SAMWolf (I once tripped and fell in a forest, and didn't make a sound.)
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To: colorado tanker

Dan finally figured out the frequency. LOL.


52 posted on 11/23/2004 1:50:19 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: GailA

Afternoon GailA. That's all that's been keeping me going for about 2 weeks, Snippy just keeps filling me with massive quantities of caffeine. :-)


53 posted on 11/23/2004 1:50:53 PM PST by SAMWolf (I once tripped and fell in a forest, and didn't make a sound.)
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To: alfa6
November Sierra Sierra

LOL! At least it's all hard work for us now and not for someone else. :-)

54 posted on 11/23/2004 1:51:54 PM PST by SAMWolf (I once tripped and fell in a forest, and didn't make a sound.)
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55 posted on 11/23/2004 1:52:23 PM PST by Iris7 (.....to protect the Constitution from all enemies, whether foreign or domestic.)
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To: SAMWolf

Hi Sam.


56 posted on 11/23/2004 1:52:33 PM PST by Aeronaut (This is no ordinary time. And George W. Bush is no ordinary leader." --George Pataki)
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf; bentfeather
Good afternoon, folks.

We had to unplug the computer this morning due to storms in the area. We did pick up aroun 2 inches of rain. There were quite a few t-storm warnings issued throughout the day.

It's cleared out for now but storms are building back over the Texas Panhandle and moving East.

57 posted on 11/23/2004 1:53:43 PM PST by E.G.C.
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To: soldierette

Afternoon soldierette. This is the last of the tankette threads. :-(

I was gonna say we were going back to covering "real" tanks but we'll be covering Italian tanks next week. ;-)

IIRC, Pulemetka was the Russian term for "tankette"


58 posted on 11/23/2004 1:54:10 PM PST by SAMWolf (I once tripped and fell in a forest, and didn't make a sound.)
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To: The Mayor
Afternoon Mayor

No one is too good or too bad to be saved.

Boy, I hope the part about "too bad" is true. ;-)

59 posted on 11/23/2004 1:55:19 PM PST by SAMWolf (I once tripped and fell in a forest, and didn't make a sound.)
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To: Professional Engineer

Afternoon PE.

Snippy finally unchained me from the floor and let me take a break.


60 posted on 11/23/2004 1:56:11 PM PST by SAMWolf (I once tripped and fell in a forest, and didn't make a sound.)
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