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To: stand watie
chattel slavery would have died an UNlamented death within 10-15 years MAXIMUM (my guess is 5-10 years) according to most scholars of Agricultural Innovation & the Industrial Revolution.

That was what Jefferson thought, 70+ years prior to the war. As it happens, however, chattel slavery was actually revived by the invention of the cotton gin. And, given the prevalence of black share-cropping after the war, it is obvious that there was still a very strong demand for the same type of labor that had previously been provided by slaves. Slavery would not have evaporated.

the FIRST WBTS was NOT about slavery either. it was nothing more or less than a war to "preserve the union" (for the North) OR a war for LIBERTY & SELF-determination (for Southrons).

"LIBERTY," unless yout happened to be a black slave, in which case it was a war for your blessed Southrons to keep them in chains. History is clear on the main cause of the sectional tensions: it was slavery. Your southron legislatures even said so in their declarations of secession. And the great Sectional Crises were likewise about slavery.

BOTH lincoln, the tyrant AND US Grant said that the war was ONLY about PRESERVING the UNION.

True. However, your southrons said themselves that their war was about slavery. See the Declarations of Secession for documentary proof. (Not that you're swayed by actual, written facts, but it's fun to show you up as a dupe.)

(NEITHER wanted to free the slaves. in point of fact, BOTH were stone racists of the robes & hood sort.)

Blah blah blah... They were products of their times, and both eventually agreed that freeing the slaves was necessary and correct. The robes and hoods were introduced by the the southron Nathan Bedford Forrest.... You know that, of courst.

You're really quite pathetic, you know. There are plenty of ugly facts to go around in the Civil War. It's almost embarassing to watch you deny the ugliest fact of all.

26 posted on 10/01/2004 8:55:16 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb
don't you WISH you were correct????

the Industrial Revolution's coming to agriculture would have killed off slavery within a FEW years.

actually the 8-row cottonpicker and the steam traction machine, pulled by 8 mules/live steam & ONE man would have demolished the PROFIT in chattel slavery. BOTH machines could do the work of 50-100 persons. (YES, i'm convinced that persons do what is in THEIR own informed self-interest in society. when slavery was no longer PROFITABLE, it would have died.)

i know you'd like for the WBTS to have been a CRUSADE against the "peculiar institution", but that is FALSE & SILLY as a point of view.

IF you can prove i'm wrong about my thesis, PLEASE post your PROOF. otherwise, enough of the "ad hominum" attacks.

free dixie,sw

27 posted on 10/01/2004 9:31:07 AM PDT by stand watie ( being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. damnyankee is a LEARNED prejudice.)
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To: r9etb
btw, there is plenty of evidence that the elites of the north, that owned slaves, planned to KEEP their slaves after the war against the southland was won.

no less a personage than MG Benjamin "THE BEAST" Butler wrote a letter to Sec. Stanton, which laid out a plan to place the freed slaves into a system of "permanent,forced, voluntary labor under military discipline" for a life-long period of servitude. butler said that "darkies are well-suited by nature for servitude under the lash". (fyi, the original of butler's letter is on public display at the New Orleans African-American Museum.)

free dixie,sw

38 posted on 10/03/2004 11:06:37 AM PDT by stand watie ( being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. damnyankee is a LEARNED prejudice.)
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