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The FReeper Foxhole Remembers The U.S.S. FRANKLIN (CV-13) - (3/19/1945) - Jul. 21st, 2004
www.hbo.com ^ | Mark Tidwell

Posted on 07/21/2004 12:02:36 AM PDT by SAMWolf

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To: Tax-chick

Morning tax-chick. What were the results?


41 posted on 07/21/2004 7:56:47 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it
Didn't mean to preempt your thread.
42 posted on 07/21/2004 7:57:36 AM PDT by SAMWolf (This tagline was written before a live studio audience.)
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To: SAMWolf

The Ship That Wouldn't Die
First time available on video as originally produced by NBC Television. Hosted by Gene Kelly, this is the powerful story of the most decorated ship and crew in the United States Naval History. Here is the battle scarred story of the USS Franklin, "Big Ben" and the men who brought her home. Fighting her way to Iwo, The Philippines, Guam, Okinawa, Formosa and the Japanese mainland, the USS Franklin took the kamikaze onslaught and in turn she bloodied the enemy; 160 ships, 338 aircraft downed, 3,971 sorties flown - this was an aircraft carrier savaged. Against all odds she limped her way across the Pacific, the Panama Canal and made the port of New York as the most heavily damaged ship ever to make home port under her own power. The USS Franklin ... a special definition of courage out of the hell of battle.
60 min.
http://www.militaryhistoryvideo.com/navy.html#M421


43 posted on 07/21/2004 7:59:51 AM PDT by Valin (Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's just that yours is stupid.)
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To: snippy_about_it

"My" candidate for State Senate won with over 60%, and is opposed in the general election by a Libertarian. I think he's safely elected :-).

The governor and U.S. House seats will both have runoffs, and it's not going to be pleasant. The N.C. FReepers are in a considerable fluff, and it's hard to tell just what to think about any of the candidates at this point. Since we're fairly new to the state, I'm happy to have no opinion until November, when we can obviously vote against the Democrat!


44 posted on 07/21/2004 8:03:09 AM PDT by Tax-chick (What will you pay me to keep my opinions to myself?)
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To: GailA

Carbs, gotta love 'em! Thanks and good morning Gail.


45 posted on 07/21/2004 8:03:10 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: SAMWolf

A really good article
SUPER FRIGATES - AMERICA'S HIGH TECH WEAPONS OF THE 1790's
by Steve McQuillan

http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/Alley/5443/supfrig.htm

The year is 1812 and the United States is at war. Like the war of our recent past, the subject of conversation around the world was American military technology. The focus of attention at that time, however, was on America's forty-four gun "super" frigates. During the first eight months of 1812 these American 44 gun frigates had, in battles fought on the high seas with frigates of the English navy, overcome those English frigates in each of the three ship to ship actions fought between them. To understand the scope of this accomplishment and why it caught even the attention of the Emperor Bonaparte, a brief understanding of naval power in 1812 is required.
The British navy in 1812 was made up of 191 ships of the line, 245 frigates of 50 guns or more and numerous other smaller warships giving it over 860 ships altogether. (Another 56 ships were in the process of construction including three 120 gun ships of the line). The English navy time and again during the preceding twenty years had humbled the navies of France, Spain, Denmark, Turkey, Algeria, Russia and Holland. In the twenty years preceding 1812 the ships of his majesty's navy had fought in over 200 single ship to ship engagements and lost in but five. The last time an English ship had lost a ship to ship action had been seven years earlier when in 1805 the French Milan had bested the HMS Cleopatra. One consequence of this seemingly unending line of victories was that by 1812 over 170 ships on the English roll were ships captured during combat. (This total included 96 French, 39 Danish and 18 Spanish ships) English naval victories had come to be expected by captains and sailors of not only of the Brtish navy but those of the ships which they fought. That attitude was rudely shaken in 1812 when the HMS Guerre (38) was destroyed by the USS Constitution (44), the HMS Macedon (49) captured by the USS United States (44) and the HMS Java (44) taken by the USS Constitution.
The navy of the United States in 1812 consisted of some 50 ships. A congressional committee in early 1812 had determined that a fleet of 12 ships of the line and 20 frigates would be large enough to protect the U.S. because of how thinly spread the English fleet was stretched blockading France. Ships of the line were reserved for the major military and economic powers, however, and something Congress decided the United States could not afford.


46 posted on 07/21/2004 8:03:58 AM PDT by Valin (Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's just that yours is stupid.)
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To: U S Army EOD

I have to agree, this would make an excellent movie. Good morning EOD.


47 posted on 07/21/2004 8:04:11 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Darksheare

Good morning Darksheare.


48 posted on 07/21/2004 8:05:21 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: SAMWolf

Sharing the pain. Why should I be the only one to be cleaning up a keyboard?


49 posted on 07/21/2004 8:05:21 AM PDT by Valin (Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's just that yours is stupid.)
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To: snippy_about_it
Thanks for asking.

He's doing much better. He's been doing som things in the garden and throwing frisbees for the black labrador dog.

Our newspaper arrived late this morning. Our local Tv station exrienced technical problems which cause a preemption of their morning show.

BTW, folks be sure to update your anti-virus definitons. Today's the day Norton usually updates their list.

50 posted on 07/21/2004 8:05:24 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: bentfeather

Hi feather.


51 posted on 07/21/2004 8:05:45 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Valin

Thanks Valin.


52 posted on 07/21/2004 8:05:52 AM PDT by SAMWolf (This tagline was written before a live studio audience.)
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To: The Mayor

Good morning Mayor.


53 posted on 07/21/2004 8:07:31 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Valin
A congressional committee in early 1812 had determined that a fleet of 12 ships of the line and 20 frigates would be large enough to protect the U.S. because of how thinly spread the English fleet was stretched blockading France.

I see decisions out of Congressional committees hasn't changed all that much.

54 posted on 07/21/2004 8:08:06 AM PDT by SAMWolf (This tagline was written before a live studio audience.)
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To: Professional Engineer

Thanks PE. Good morning.


55 posted on 07/21/2004 8:09:32 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Samwise; Professional Engineer
Hey, I finally found a flag case for my flag from the Renegades.

Sounds like a story and picture for PE's Friday Freeper Foxhole Flag-o-gram. ;-)

56 posted on 07/21/2004 8:10:59 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Valin; Darksheare
Things To Do If You Ever Became An Evil Overlord...
DO NOT wear long, heavy cloaks. While they certainly make a bold fashion statement, they have an annoying tendency to get caught in doors or tripped over during an escape.

Darksheare, I don't know why you came to mind but I thought I should point this out to you. ;-)

57 posted on 07/21/2004 8:14:11 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Valin
UGH.

The only similarity I see between Vietnam and Iraq is the policy not to bomb targets of the enemy openly and without mercy.

Of course, Presidents Ronald Reagan and Bush Sr. did make enough specific statements to fuel right-wing claims that America failed in Vietnam because our soldiers were "denied permission to win" (Reagan) or fought "with one hand tied behind their backs" (Bush Sr.). They further suggested, often with coded indirection, that antiwar protesters, a weak-kneed liberal Congress, and near-treasonous media had betrayed our nation and its soldiers.

Fuel right-wing claims?! If the writer would read history as it happened and policy of the Johnson Admin. he would see these statements are true.

I need more coffee.

59 posted on 07/21/2004 8:20:35 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: E.G.C.

Good news, thanks for the update on your dad and the reminder about Norton.


60 posted on 07/21/2004 8:26:12 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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