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The FReeper Foxhole Remembers The Naval Engagements of 1812 - June 24th, 2004
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Posted on 06/24/2004 12:00:41 AM PDT by SAMWolf



Lord,

Keep our Troops forever in Your care

Give them victory over the enemy...

Grant them a safe and swift return...

Bless those who mourn the lost.
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FReepers from the Foxhole join in prayer
for all those serving their country at this time.


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President vs. Belvidera


On June 23rd 1812 at 6:00 a.m. the British frigate "Belvidera" moves close to check out what she believes to be an American squadron. The crew had been informed by a merchant ship that war may have been declared. One half hour later the British crew sees three large American frigates and tries to steer the "Belvidera" away.


USS President


Commodore Rodgers is commanding the U.S. squadron. The "President" and the "Congress" both make sail and go after the "Belvidera". The "President" is much faster and closes with the British frigate first, while the "Congress" follows. The British commander, Captain Byron orders the "Belvidera" ready for battle. Commodore Rodgers fires the bow gun of the "President" himself. The "President" fires again from their main-deck guns. Three shot have all found their mark killing or wounding nine men. This battle would have most likely ended with the next few shots fired except that the "Presidents" main-deck gun blew up when it fired for the second time, killing or wounding sixteen men. Commodore Rodgers himself was injured with a broken leg. The "Belvidera" opened fire with her stern guns killing or wounding six men. The "President" responded with a port broadside that did minor damage to the British frigate's rigging. The "Belvidera" continued to fire. The "President" moved close and fired her bow-chasers damaging the main top mast and cross-jack yard of the British ship.

The "President" fell back a short distance and fired another broadside, this did little damage. Again the Americans closed and fired the bow-chasers, these shots did much more damage than the broadsides.


Escape of H.M.S. Belvidera from the U.S. Frigate President
Thomas Buttersworth


The crew of the British frigate worked hard and repaired the damage quickly. But the damage to the sails gave the "Congress" the time it needed to catch up. The "Congress" opened fire, these shots splashed harmlessly into the ocean. The "Belvidera" changed coarse and escaped. Three days later reaching Halifax Harbour.



It must be pointed out that had the American gun not burst on the "President" this battle surely would have been over quickly. It also should be pointed out that the repairs made by the British crew while under fire enabled them to make their escape.

The Constitution vs. The Guerriere


On August 2nd 1812 the "Constitution" set sail departing from Boston and sailed east in hopes of finding some British ships. After meeting no British ships, the "Constitution" sailed along the coast of Nova Scotia, and then New Foundland, finally stationing off Cape Race in the Gulf of the St. Lawrence. It was here that the Americans captured and burned two brigs of little value. On August 15th the "Constitution" recaptured an American brig from the British ship-sloop "Avenger", however the British ship managed to escape. Captain Issac Hull put a crew on the brig and they sailed it back to an American port.


Action between USS Constitution and HMS Guerriere, 19 August 1812:
"In Action"
Oil on canvas, 32" x 48", by Michel Felice Corne (1752-1845), depicting the two frigates firing on each other, as Guerriere's mizzen mast goes over the side.


At 2:00 p.m. on August 19th the crew of the "Constitution" made out a large sail which proved to be the British frigate "Guerriere" captained by James Dacres. At 4:30 p.m. the two ships began to position themselves and hoisted their flags (colours). At 5:00 p.m. the "Guerriere" opened fire with her weather guns, the shots splashed in the water short of the American ship. The British then fired her port broadsides, two of these shots hit the American ship, the rest went over and through her rigging. As the British prepared to fire again the "Constitution" fired her port guns. The two ships were a fair distance apart, and for the next 60 minutes or so they continued like this with very little damage being done to either party.


Action between USS Constitution and HMS Guerriere, 19 August 1812:
"Dropping Astern"
Oil on canvas, 32" x 48", by Michel Felice Corne (1752-1845), depicting the Guerriere's main and fore masts collapsing from the effects of Constitution's fire.


At 6:00 p.m. they moved closer, at 6:05 p.m. the two ships were within pistol-shot of each other. A furious cannonade began, at 6:20 p.m. the "Constitution" shot away the "Guerriere's" mizzen-mast, the British ship was damaged. The "Constitution" came around the "Guerriere's" bow and delivered a heavy raking fire which shot away the British frigate's main yard. The Americans came around yet again and raked the "Guerriere". The mizzen-mast of the British ship was now dragging in the water and the two ships came in close to each other. The British bow guns did some damage to the captain's cabin of the "Constitution", a fire even started there. An American officer by the name of Lieutenant Hoffmann put the fire out.


Action between USS Constitution and HMS Guerriere, 19 August 1812
Painting by Anton Otto Fischer, depicting Guerriere's masts going over the side as Constitution rakes her from ahead.


It was about here that both crews tried to board the others ship, or at least thought about it. And it was also here where most of the "Constitution's" casualties were taken. In fact both sides suffered greatly from musketry at this point. On the "Guerriere" the loss was much greater. Captain James Dacres was shot in the back while cheering on his crew to fight. The ships finally worked themselves free of each other, and then the "Guerriere's" foremast and main-mast came crashing down leaving the British ship defenseless.


USS Constitution


At 6:30 p.m. the "Constitution" ran off a little and made repairs which only took minutes to complete. Captain Isaac Hull stood and watched at 7:00 p.m. as the battered British ship surrendered, unable to continue the fight.


Action between USS Constitution and HMS Guerriere, 19 August 1812
Oil on canvas, 46" x 64", attributed to Thomas Birch (1779-1851). It depicts Constitution standing off the dismasted British frigate's bow, as the latter strikes her flag in surrender.


The "Constitution" had a crew of 456 and carried 44 guns. The Guerriere had a crew of 272 men and carried 38 guns. The American casualties were 14, which included Lieutenant William S. Bush, of the marines, and six seamen killed. And her first lieutenant, Charles Morris, Master, John C. Alwyn, four seamen, and one marine wounded. Total seven killed and seven wounded. Almost all the American casualties came from the enemy musketry when the two ships came together. The British lost 23 killed and mortally wounded, including her second lieutenant, Henry Ready, and 56 wounded severely and slightly, including Captain Dacres for a total of 79. The rest of the British crew became prisoners.



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To: CholeraJoe
Morning CholeraJoe


41 posted on 06/24/2004 9:07:47 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality)
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To: Professional Engineer

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Love that last one!!


42 posted on 06/24/2004 9:08:18 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality)
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To: bentfeather

Good Morning Feather!


43 posted on 06/24/2004 9:08:46 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality)
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To: Valin
The British navy in 1812 was made up of 191 ships of the line, 245 frigates of 50 guns or more and numerous other smaller warships giving it over 860 ships altogether. (Another 56 ships were in the process of construction including three 120 gun ships of the line).

The navy of the United States in 1812 consisted of some 50 ships. A congressional committee in early 1812 had determined that a fleet of 12 ships of the line and 20 frigates would be large enough to protect the U.S. because of how thinly spread the English fleet was stretched blockading France.

Great article, thanks Valin

44 posted on 06/24/2004 9:11:16 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality)
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To: Lee Heggy

Morning Lee Heggy.

Any plans to make it to Gettysburg this July?


45 posted on 06/24/2004 9:12:11 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality)
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To: Aeronaut

Oooops! How'd that happen? Funny pic. :^)


46 posted on 06/24/2004 9:23:28 AM PDT by Samwise (I posted this tagline "because I could.")
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To: Valin
The World's Shortest Books... Everything Men Know about Women

The Integrity of Bill Clinton?

47 posted on 06/24/2004 9:27:05 AM PDT by Samwise (I posted this tagline "because I could.")
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To: Professional Engineer
Hubby and the Hobbit Lass would be so jealous of that first plane. They are working on another one. I'll see if I can find a pic of the last one they built.
48 posted on 06/24/2004 9:29:35 AM PDT by Samwise (I posted this tagline "because I could.")
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To: SAMWolf

Sam, This Sunday I will be hitting the road along with the rest of our battery to Gettysburg. Don't know yet which side we'll be on but it'll probably be with the Yanks since there are alway's more Rebs than Yanks. It don't really matter what role I play. I may even have to be a civilian. ( I play a pretty good 'town drunk') On the way back we have a living history gig in St. Louis. I've been to Gettysburg before but never as a participant. It should be alot of fun and very informative. I just hope the rest of the guys can get away without their wives leaving them! We will visit several other sites along the way to and back.


49 posted on 06/24/2004 9:39:34 AM PDT by Lee Heggy (No good deed goes unpunished)
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To: Professional Engineer
Here's picture of the Hobbit Lass' RC. Those are bull dog pawprints on it.


50 posted on 06/24/2004 9:41:47 AM PDT by Samwise (I posted this tagline "because I could.")
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To: Samwise
Integrity , Bill Clinton

Now there are three words that you should never see together.

51 posted on 06/24/2004 9:47:05 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality)
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To: Lee Heggy

I envy you. Just visiting Gettysburg would be a thrill for me, being a participant in a re-enactment would really be something to remember and treasure.

Good Luck and enjoy the trip.


52 posted on 06/24/2004 9:48:57 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality)
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To: Samwise

Nice!


53 posted on 06/24/2004 9:49:45 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality)
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To: SAMWolf

It's a very short book. Here is the first chapter.

Chapter 1:













The rest of the chapters are pretty much the same.


54 posted on 06/24/2004 9:50:15 AM PDT by Samwise (I posted this tagline "because I could.")
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To: Samwise

LOL! At least it's easy reading.


55 posted on 06/24/2004 9:51:14 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality)
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To: SAMWolf

RE: Hey, do I look like Lawerence Welk?

Speaking of the late Mr. Welk, at work the other day I went into our kitchen to get something and a bunch of tiny bubbles were floating about. I made some comment about Lawerence Welk being in the department and one of my younger co-workers goes WHO?

I are getting to be an old fart, sigh....

Regards

alfa6 ;>}


56 posted on 06/24/2004 10:55:17 AM PDT by alfa6 (Mrs. Murphy's Postulate on Murphy's Law: Murphy Was an Optimist)
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To: Valin; CholeraJoe; Aeronaut; SAMWolf

If you want a copy of the R/C B-52 video taking off or flying let me know via Freepmail. I would need an e-mail address that can handle a 2 meg attachment for the take off video and 4 megs for the flying video.

FWIW the flying clip is, IMHO, not nearly as neat as the take off video.

IIRC the gents that built this airplane spent about 25K just for the jet engines. Yowzers...

Regards

alfa6 ;>}


57 posted on 06/24/2004 11:04:31 AM PDT by alfa6 (Mrs. Murphy's Postulate on Murphy's Law: Murphy Was an Optimist)
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To: alfa6
I made some comment about Lawerence Welk being in the department and one of my younger co-workers goes WHO?

Ouch!

58 posted on 06/24/2004 11:19:57 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality)
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To: SAMWolf

Note about video...collecting names so I will send it out in a day or two so I don't aggravate the fine folks at RR with a bunch of high bandwith e-mails.

...WHO ME???

Regards

alfa6 ;>}


59 posted on 06/24/2004 11:28:22 AM PDT by alfa6 (Mrs. Murphy's Postulate on Murphy's Law: Murphy Was an Optimist)
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To: SAMWolf
The US took on the worlds' greatest Naval Power and gave them a run for their money. Not bad for an upstart nation.

One of the coolest things about touring Old Ironsides was seeing the captured British cannon in her gunports. Heh heh heh

60 posted on 06/24/2004 11:48:25 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (Today, I'm one neuron short of a synapse. Tomorrow I'll ...)
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