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The FReeper Foxhole Profiles Colonel Joshua Chamberlain - May 17th, 2004
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Posted on 05/17/2004 12:00:06 AM PDT by SAMWolf

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To: SAMWolf
Your daughter has asked one of the three most pertinent question of the Holocaust.

S. Giora Shoham has written a book called Valhalla, Calvary, and Auschwitz... a book that I highly recommend to your daughter.

Here's a brief analysis (just skimming the surface actually) of why there was so little resistance. It is the summary of one chapter of Shoham's book that I did for the class.

Shoham explores the reaction of both the Jews and the world to the Holocaust. Shoham frames the Jewish reaction against the reaction of the world. This provides the proper context. Looking at the Jewish reaction, without knowing the world’s reaction, would cause a warped perception of why the Jews seemed to go so willingly to the slaughter. Shoham explains that the Jews had a “time-honored Jewish tradition of placating their persecutors in Europe, [which] induced them to believe that the Nazis would also ‘settle down’ and leave them alone, provided they did what they were expected to do; work hard, be indispensable, comply with order, and God forbid, not be trouble-makers.”

The above sentence is not as simplistic as it reads. There was a reason why the Jews learned to placate their persecutors throughout their history. They had learned a very hard lesson. In times of great tribulation, they stood alone. No one came to their aid. Not governments, not the judicial system, not their neighbors, and, at times, not even each other. The Nazi era was no different. The Jews cried out to the world for help, and the world ignored them. The Palestinian Jews went to the British Government and pleaded for the British to disregard immigration quotas in Palestine and allow the Jews to immigrate. The British weighed the lives of the Jews against the wealth of their Arab colonies and the importance of the Suez Canal and sided with the Arabs and their own pocketbooks. They even returned escaping Jews to Germany. Europe and the United States were complicit in the murder of the Jews. They refused to perform even the smallest of tasks like bombing the railways to the East to stop the murders.

What is interesting is that this is the one motivation Shoham doesn’t attempt to explain. He exonerates the few governments that rescued their Jews. He commends the few people who hid Jews at great risk. But he indicts the world for their failure to act in even the simplest way. He leaves the indictment echoing through the rest of the chapter. Against this indictment, he explains what it was like to be a Jew in the hands of the Nazis.

Fear and betrayal were the twin companions of the Jews during this dark period. Not only were they betrayed by their Gentile neighbors, they were also betrayed by each other. Shoham notes, “Most of the Jews, the Judenrats, fought the Jewish rebels and were even instrumental in revealing them to the Nazis, because they were convinced that rebellious Jews exposed them to the vengeance of the Nazis.” Jews who escaped and found refuge with the partisans were betrayed by their fellow soldiers. The Sonderkommandos, who met the trains at the death camps, played their rôles well convincing the new arrivals that everything was going to be okay even as they led them to the delousing showers to be gassed.

The Nazis were cruel in their punishment. Shoham writes, “The collectivity of the punishment was meant to deter, to prevent organization for resistance, and to exploit the participant guilt the Jews felt at the knowledge that their innocent brethren were suffering because of them, to deter them from incurring the wrath of the Nazis.”

I like the way Shoham ends his book. He uses the last page to detail the resistance of the Jews. Not all went quietly into that dark night. Many did fight back. There were armed resistences in the ghettos in Poland. There were organized escapes from the death camps. Many Jews served as soldiers in the Allied army. Shoham says that many who fought were Zionists.

I don’t believe that Shoham mentioned Zionists out of the blue. He actually gives the reader the end result of the Holocaust. The birth of the State of Israel was a literal drawing of the line in the sand. “Here,” the Jews said, “In these borders, we will be responsible for our own defense. We will no longer go meekly into the ovens. Instead of the yellow star, it is the blue star of our air force, our navy, and our army.”

At the end of the assignment, I came to have a deeper understanding of the two distinct cultures that lived within Germany. Even though it sounds absurd, Shoham makes his case that the Nazi culture felt itself to be the victim of a Jewish conspiracy that kept it from reaching its destiny and conquering the world. The Nazis believed that they could only fulfill that destiny once the Jew within and without were dead. Even though I never blamed the Jews for not resisting what was happening, Shoham allowed me to see that throughout the centuries, the Jewish culture in Europe had struggled to maintain equilibrium in a sea of hate that would crash down around it when a national scapegoat was needed to explain away social or political disasters or shortcomings. The Jews had learned through the years to keep their heads down and wait out the current storm. Like Shoham, I would still leave the world indicted. There really is no explanation for why the Allies would not help once they found out what the Germans were doing. There really is no excuse for Great Britain not to throw open the gates of Palestine and allow the Jews to flee. I’m sure that some would argue geopolitical considerations, but when gazing at the victims of the death camps, geopolitical considerations seem to be inconsequential.

41 posted on 05/17/2004 7:15:07 AM PDT by carton253 (Re: The War on Terror. It's time to draw our swords and throw away the scabbards.)
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To: SAMWolf

I remember when this happened. Some many of the talking heads were saying it was a mistake. I didn't buy that then...or now.
It's my opinion that he thought he could convince us that it was Iran, and so get us to come into that war on his side.


42 posted on 05/17/2004 7:19:38 AM PDT by Valin (Hating people is like burning down your house to kill a rat)
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To: carton253
Thanks carton253. I'll tell here about the book. Sounds like an interesting read.

She's been reading a lot about the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. Even hopeless resistance was better than no resistance.

The Jews had learned through the years to keep their heads down and wait out the current storm.

That in a nutshell is what I tried to explain to here, no one at first believed the stories of the DeathCamps could be true, by the time they did it was too late.

43 posted on 05/17/2004 7:23:19 AM PDT by SAMWolf (The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson.)
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To: Valin
Some many of the talking heads were saying it was a mistake. I didn't buy that then...or now.

Neither did I.

44 posted on 05/17/2004 7:24:27 AM PDT by SAMWolf (The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson.)
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To: carton253

Sounds like a good book.
(In defense of the rest of the world)
I don't think the rest of the world really appreciated the fact that Hitler REALLY meant what he said, (about anything). The idea of a Auschwitz-Birkenau, Bergen-Belsen, Buchenwald...was beyond the thinking of civilized people.

I recall reading (Paul Johnson?) that before the end of the 19th century Germany was the best place to be in europe if you were a Jew.
It's not much of a defence I know, but it's really the best that can be come up with.


45 posted on 05/17/2004 7:34:17 AM PDT by Valin (Hating people is like burning down your house to kill a rat)
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To: Valin
I think you make a vaild point...Who could have fathomed that type of mass murder.

Except, the Allies did know. They knew about the death camps... and they wouldn't do the very simplest thing as bombing the rail head into Auschwitz.

Furthermore, Great Britain knew and still wouldn't open Palestine up.

There were other governments who went out of their way to save their Jews. Why? Because they knew what was happening.

It had leaked out as early as 1942...

46 posted on 05/17/2004 7:49:15 AM PDT by carton253 (Re: The War on Terror. It's time to draw our swords and throw away the scabbards.)
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To: SAMWolf

Yes but then you're a ultra-extremist-fanatic-rabid-rightwing-radical, so what do you know. You see sadam confused the Stark with one of the Iranian battleships, easy enough to do, could happen to anyone.


47 posted on 05/17/2004 8:04:47 AM PDT by Valin (Hating people is like burning down your house to kill a rat)
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To: snippy_about_it
GM, snippy!

free dixie,sw

48 posted on 05/17/2004 8:09:21 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: Valin; carton253

Have to agree about the bombing. Early in the war the camps in Poland were out of range (without Russian airfields for refueling) but later we were bombing just about everything else and we could have bombed the rail lines.


49 posted on 05/17/2004 8:10:32 AM PDT by SAMWolf (The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson.)
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To: Valin
..but then you're a ultra-extremist-fanatic-rabid-rightwing-radical

Thanks for the compliment.:-)

50 posted on 05/17/2004 8:11:34 AM PDT by SAMWolf (The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson.)
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To: stand watie

Morning stand watie.

Free Dixie.


51 posted on 05/17/2004 8:12:08 AM PDT by SAMWolf (The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson.)
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To: SAMWolf
had it not been for the leadership of LTC Chamberlain & the heroism of his lads of 20th Maine, i'd be writing you from a foreign country.

if the 20th fails, the ANV would have made a massive sweep down the ridgeline & that would have been that for the army of the potomac. and the END of the war.

free dixie,sw

52 posted on 05/17/2004 8:14:24 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: SAMWolf
GM, Sam!

all good ole' rebels honor the service of COL Chamberlain.

free dixie,sw

53 posted on 05/17/2004 8:15:49 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: Neil E. Wright

Thanks for the ping and the link!


54 posted on 05/17/2004 8:18:35 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: stand watie

There were a lot of good, honorable men on both sides in the WBTS.


55 posted on 05/17/2004 8:18:52 AM PDT by SAMWolf (The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson.)
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To: SAMWolf

Takes one to know one. :-)


I owe I owe it's off to work I go.

Back tonight.


56 posted on 05/17/2004 8:21:14 AM PDT by Valin (Hating people is like burning down your house to kill a rat)
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To: SAMWolf
YEP!

free dixie,sw

57 posted on 05/17/2004 8:21:42 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: Valin

See ya tonight. Have fun pretending to work and hope your boss doesn't start pretending to pay you. ;-)


58 posted on 05/17/2004 8:24:05 AM PDT by SAMWolf (The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson.)
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To: stainlessbanner
GM, brother-in-arms!

free the southland,sw

59 posted on 05/17/2004 8:26:38 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: bentfeather
GM, miss feather!

free dixie,sw

60 posted on 05/17/2004 8:27:17 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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