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The FReeper Foxhole's TreadHead Tuesday -Israeli Merkava - Main Battle Tank - Mar 23rd, 2004
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Posted on 03/23/2004 12:00:11 AM PST by SAMWolf



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Merkava - Main Battle Tank
Historical Background




The War of Independence was, in effect, an infantry war. Operations of both Israel and the enemy were waged by infantry formations. The few tanks deployed played no decisive role. Israel at that time had 15 tanks, and the Arabs had 45. Mobile and armored forces in the War of Independence were mainly equipped with half-tracks, armored personnel carriers, and armored vehicles with light guns. Israeli forces had 280 half-tracks and 20 armored vehicles with guns. Arab forces had 620 armored vehicles and armored personnel carriers, of which 180 carried guns.

The Sinai Campaign of 1956 was characterized by mobile, armored warfare. Israel deployed 200 tanks in Sinai, versus 150 tanks deployed by the Egyptians.

Since the Sinai Campaign, the land war between Israel and the surrounding Arab nations has become a war of highly mobile and armored formations. A total of 2,500 tanks were deployed during the Six-Day War by Israel and the enemies. 6,200 tanks engaged in combat during the Yom-Kippur war. Since the Sinai Campaign, thousands of tanks have been destroyed in battle.



Today, the tank is central to the art of war, and is considered the primary decisive factor on the modern land battlefield.

Prior to the Sinai Campaign Egypt received, within the framework of the "Czechoslovakian Arms Deal", 300 Soviet tanks and tank destroyers, including the Stalin-3 and T-34 tanks and SU-100 tank destroyers. This was considered an impressive addition to the Egyptian armored fleet, which at that time numbered some 430 western armored vehicles, of various types.

Within the scope of the Middle-East arms race, Israeli weaponry was always inferior in both qualitative and quantitative aspects. We acquired Sherman tanks and AMX-13 tanks (not really tanks but rather light tank destroyers), while the Arabs obtained, with no problems, new and modern tanks from both east and west. We were forced to be satisfied with "junk": old and inoperable tanks, second world war vintage Shermans, British Centurions and American M48's (Magach).

Not a single country agreed to sell new tanks to us. It is still not clear why some countries did allow us to occasionally buy new and modern means of battle, such as jet fighter planes, but persisted in their refusal to sell us new tanks.



Given the need, we were forced to learn the technologies of armor, in order to rehabilitate the obsolete metal hulks, which we had purchased through programs of rebuilding, regunning and engine replacements.

The race between ourselves and the Arabs now became a direct confrontation between new Western and Soviet MBT's fielded by the Arab armies and old, rebuilt and improvised tanks fielded by Israel.

In the 1960's the Arabs were about to obtain T-62 tanks from Soviet Russia. This was the most modern operational Main Battle Tank (MBT) of its time, equipped with a high-powered 115-mm cannon. It. was clear that no improvisations or rejuvenation to tanks of the 1940s and 1950s would suffice to ensure the continued security, and indeed the existence, of the State of Israel.



At that time, in 1966, Britain came forward with a dramatically historic proposal. The British needed money in order to complete the development of their new tank of the future, the Chieftain, with its 120-mm cannon. This tank was designed to be the strongest and most modern in the west. In view of their financial constraints they proposed a "package deal". According to this deal, we would buy hundreds of obsolete Centurion tanks. They, in exchange, would allow us to participate in the final stages of Chieftain development, would sell us Chieftains, and would help us build, in Israel, an assembly line for Chieftains. This was seen as an ideal solution to the unacceptable predictions regarding the middle-eastern armor balance from both quantitative and qualitative points of view.

Our cooperation with the British lasted for about three years. Two prototypes of the Chieftain tank were delivered to Israel. Israel invested heavily in the improvement and final development of the Chieftain in close cooperation with British officers and engineers, who worked with us in Israel.

However, Arab states intervened. They threatened Britain with sanctions, with pulling their monetary reserves out of British banks, and other actions. Demonstrations were held in Arab capitals and British embassies were attacked. In November 1969 Britain withdrew from its Chieftain deal with Israel.



The development, design and planning efforts of three years were wasted - and we were back at square one, with time lost which could not be retrieved.

In view of this development, we considered the possibility of developing and manufacturing "made-in-Israel" tanks.

It was clear that a weapon system of primary importance was at stake, vital to our security, but which had been refused, to Israel by all nations. No change in this attitude was foreseen.

The question, which arose therefore, was not whether we should engage in development and manufacture of a homemade tank, but whether we would be capable of achieved the high levels of industrial and technological expertise required to succeed in such a project. To this was added the question of whether we would be capable of doing so at a reasonable price and without disrupting the Israeli economy.



In order to answer these questions, it was decided to conduct a study, presided by Major General Israel Tal. The study was conducted by experts of the Ministry of Defense and of the Ordnance Corps, and was designed to answer two essential questions:

1. Would Israel be capable of planning, designing and manufacturing a Main Battle Tank from the point of view of technological know-how and industrial infrastructure?

2. Is there any economic sense in such a project - does it ensure economic viability in the broad sense, to the economy of Israel?

Findings


Findings of the study were positive. Israel would be capable of developing and establishing an infrastructure for the manufacture of tanks, which would be economically feasible from the point of view of the national economy. In addition, the proposed Israeli tank would compare favorably with others, would meet the specific requirements of the IDF and the specific needs of the middle-eastern theatre of war. In 1970 the decision was taken that the State of Israel would develop a tank for the IDF and for export in the future.

Organization and Method of Development and Manufacture




The original plan was for the development of a tank to be based primarily an existing systems and assemblies. But even from the first years of development the need arose, in view of know-how restrictions, technological reasons and operational requirements which developed over time, to develop an entirely new tank which would be based on both original and new assemblies. The development task was modified accordingly.

The need to shorten development time gave rise to an abbreviated development process, while knowingly taking risks, which later became known as the "telescopic development" process. This method is characterized by the start of serial production, based on prototypes, before completion of all development and demonstration stages. This is prior to the finalizing of production files.

In order to reduce the investments needed for the establishment and management of a tank, manufacturing industry, we decided not to form double organization, with the backup services required for such a project (procurement, inventories, legal and economic service units, etc.). It was decided that the Project Administration would utilize existing MOD/IDF infrastructures such as Equipment Center facilities, spare part inventories, procurement and manufacturing controls, MOD legal advisor staff, MOD economic advisor staff, and others.



It was further decided to utilize the industrial infrastructures existing in the IDF, the civilian and governmental military industries, and to expand the manufacturing potential of existing plant where necessary. To the extent possible inflated bureaucracies or the creation of new industries would be avoided. It was now decided that the existing IDF basic tank depot would be utilized as the tank's final assembly plant. In addition, two hundred industrial plants would be upgraded with new knowledge and capabilities, as required for the manufacture of the thousands of parts, assemblies and systems, needed for the Merkava tank.

A policy of regional distribution of manufacturing facilities throughout Israel was evolved, including development regions, with maximum utilization of civilian enterprises and no monopoly for the military industries.

It was decided that any technological knowledge, which was lacking would be acquired in part from abroad, and in part self-developed within the defense establishment, the industrial establishment and by Israeli research institutes.



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To: Johnny Gage
Thanks Johnny.


61 posted on 03/23/2004 10:12:57 PM PST by SAMWolf (Copywight 1995 Elmer Fudd. All wights wesewved.)
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To: Johnny Gage
Thanks Johnny. I believe these programs have been going on for a while. Thanks for the info.
62 posted on 03/23/2004 10:14:22 PM PST by SAMWolf (Copywight 1995 Elmer Fudd. All wights wesewved.)
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To: stand watie
Hi stand watie. Free Dixie
63 posted on 03/23/2004 10:15:41 PM PST by SAMWolf (Copywight 1995 Elmer Fudd. All wights wesewved.)
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To: Victoria Delsoul
Evening Victoria. Now that's a plate I'd like to have!
64 posted on 03/23/2004 10:16:34 PM PST by SAMWolf (Copywight 1995 Elmer Fudd. All wights wesewved.)
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To: Professional Engineer
Evening PE. How are you and the wife doing?
65 posted on 03/23/2004 10:17:23 PM PST by SAMWolf (Copywight 1995 Elmer Fudd. All wights wesewved.)
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To: Professional Engineer
I'd think it'd be interesting to fire the Main gun (remotely) just to see what happens. :-)
66 posted on 03/23/2004 10:18:32 PM PST by SAMWolf (Copywight 1995 Elmer Fudd. All wights wesewved.)
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To: radu
Hi Radu! Is that your cat farm?
67 posted on 03/23/2004 10:19:33 PM PST by SAMWolf (Copywight 1995 Elmer Fudd. All wights wesewved.)
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To: snippy_about_it
I love Tuesdays at the Foxhole

The treadhead threads are fun to do. :-)

68 posted on 03/23/2004 10:21:11 PM PST by SAMWolf (Copywight 1995 Elmer Fudd. All wights wesewved.)
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To: Johnny Gage
OOOOOOOOOOO! I want one!!
69 posted on 03/23/2004 10:22:35 PM PST by SAMWolf (Copywight 1995 Elmer Fudd. All wights wesewved.)
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To: w_over_w
Evening w_over_w.

Yeah, Isreal has to look ahead to a day when it may need to be self sufficient in providing it's own weapons.
70 posted on 03/23/2004 10:24:37 PM PST by SAMWolf (Copywight 1995 Elmer Fudd. All wights wesewved.)
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To: PhilDragoo
Evening Phil Dragoo.

I'm trying to figure out when the bad guys became the good guys in world opinion. It's so frustrating to see the terrorists getting all the sympathy and Isreal being made into the bad guys. GRRRRRRRRRRRR!
71 posted on 03/23/2004 10:27:52 PM PST by SAMWolf (Copywight 1995 Elmer Fudd. All wights wesewved.)
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To: Valin
Looks like someone TRYING to get a group of freepers to do something.

ROTFL!! My first thought was "cat herding"

72 posted on 03/23/2004 10:29:15 PM PST by SAMWolf (Copywight 1995 Elmer Fudd. All wights wesewved.)
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To: PhilDragoo
Another frustrating thing is watching our government criticize the Israeli's for doing the same thing we're doing, protecting themselves by taking out the bad guys.
73 posted on 03/23/2004 10:31:47 PM PST by SAMWolf (Copywight 1995 Elmer Fudd. All wights wesewved.)
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To: SAMWolf
Yes, the counselling of "restraint" may have maxed out in this post-Madrid world, at least from BushCo.

As for france, BBC, AP, I would posit they champion the Pallies as their proxy Jew-killers.

A case in point would be Peter Jennings, who is consistently evil in his slander of Israel and parroting of Pallie propaganda.

And the supreme irony for the society of fanatics dedicated to Israel's destruction, the "Palestinians", is this:

They are rejected and despised by all Arab nations.

They are subjugated and exploited by Arafat et al, all the while the money for their "humanitarian needs" from the EU and UN and Arab League is siphoned off by the likes of Arafat and sent to Suha in Paris to be forwarded to their Swiss account.

So the Pallies are murdering a long-suffering people who even now would be only too willing to help them--if they would lift their blindfolds.

The moral equivalence of FOX News' logo "Mideast Turmoil" typifies the worldview's lie denying this truth: a society of murderers menaces one of peace.

I would not be surprised to see a turning and see it first in the neighborhood, perhaps Iraq, more likely Iran, where 70% were born after the Islamic revolution and despise the mullahs.

Hah! What a cosmic prank on the putzhead imams of the world.

Chaff in the wind and anything is possible.

74 posted on 03/23/2004 10:53:12 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: snippy_about_it
that one up front looks pregnant!!!!

If Tasmin is pregnant, he's worth a WHOOOOOOLE bunch o' money! LOL!!!
No one can say we don't feed these critters. Not a one of 'em is skinny.

75 posted on 03/23/2004 11:22:40 PM PST by radu (May God watch over our troops and keep them safe)
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To: Valin
Looks like someone TRYING to get a group of freepers to do something.

Belieeeeeve me.....FReepers are much easier to work with! LOL!

76 posted on 03/23/2004 11:33:37 PM PST by radu (May God watch over our troops and keep them safe)
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To: SAMWolf
Howdy SAM!
Yep, that's part of the farm. Told ya it's a mess with tree debris. That pile is just the top pieces of one tree. The rest of the piles are a LOT bigger and are in the fields.

Any time I go outside, I have kitties following me all around. They like to "help", ya know. LOL!
77 posted on 03/23/2004 11:38:13 PM PST by radu (May God watch over our troops and keep them safe)
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To: PhilDragoo
They are rejected and despised by all Arab nations.

They've been trhown out of most other countires but are great useful idiots for the cause of promoting hatred for Israel and the US.

78 posted on 03/23/2004 11:41:39 PM PST by SAMWolf (Copywight 1995 Elmer Fudd. All wights wesewved.)
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To: snippy_about_it
Good evening archy. Thanks for the current shots of the Merkava.

Glad to add to the subject matter, snippy. I've been fond of the MkII ever since I got my first ride in a MkII, and I'm looking forward to acquainting myself with the newer versions next trip that way, even though my heart is really with the older Magach 5 and 6.

Sad to say, I fear there'll be no shortage of photos of them in the coming news, either; there are repoirts of from ten to two dozen Israeli tanks now moving into the Khan Younis refugee area of the Gaza strip.

Israeli Tanks Roll Into Palestinian Refugee Camp

Reuters ^ | 3-23-04

GAZA (Reuters) - Israeli tanks rolled into the Palestinian refugee camp of Khan Younis in the Gaza Strip early on Wednesday and bulldozers began demolishing houses overlooking a Jewish settlement, witnesses said.

Some 60 families living in the row of dilapidated structures fled as Israeli forces laid down covering fire. There were no immediate reports of return fire from Palestinian gunmen, or casualties.

Security forces have been on high alert in Israel's cities for the painful payback Hamas has promised in retaliations for the Israeli assassination of its founder and spiritual leader Ahmed Yassin.

About 10 Israeli tanks moved to the edge of Khan Younis in the early hours of Wednesday, taking up what witnesses initially described as holding positions.


79 posted on 03/24/2004 1:18:28 AM PST by archy (Concrete shoes, cyanide, TNT! Done dirt cheap! Neckties, contracts, high voltage...Done dirt cheap!)
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To: SAMWolf; Yehuda
Evening Archy. Thanks for all the current pictures of the Merkava in use.

Two more additions to the compilation on the background and development of today's Merchavim, the Chariots:

The question, which arose therefore, was not whether we should engage in development and manufacture of a homemade tank, but whether we would be capable of achieved the high levels of industrial and technological expertise required to succeed in such a project. To this was added the question of whether we would be capable of doing so at a reasonable price and without disrupting the Israeli economy.

In order to answer these questions, it was decided to conduct a study, presided by Major General Israel Tal. The study was conducted by experts of the Ministry of Defense and of the Ordnance Corps, and was designed to answer two essential questions:

1. Would Israel be capable of planning, designing and manufacturing a Main Battle Tank from the point of view of technological know-how and industrial infrastructure?

2. Is there any economic sense in such a project - does it ensure economic viability in the broad sense, to the economy of Israel?

Findings of the study were positive. Israel would be capable of developing and establishing an infrastructure for the manufacture of tanks, which would be economically feasible from the point of view of the national economy. In addition, the proposed Israeli tank would compare favorably with others, would meet the specific requirements of the IDF and the specific needs of the middle-eastern theatre of war. In 1970 the decision was taken that the State of Israel would develop a tank for the IDF and for export in the future.

The additions: The fathers of Israel's armored fist: Israel Tal, responsible as much as any one person for the Merkava, and Mussa Peled, from the days of the Mk50 Shermans, crapped-out British Centurions and open half-tracks, who developed the tank force and those tankers who man them into the professional tank army, as much an elite as Israel's paratroops or America's Marines. They're the men who gave Israel her success.

Major General Moshe "Mussa" Peled;
Israeli Armour Corps:


80 posted on 03/24/2004 1:42:45 AM PST by archy (Concrete shoes, cyanide, TNT! Done dirt cheap! Neckties, contracts, high voltage...Done dirt cheap!)
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