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To: SAMWolf
There is a special place in my heart for Allan Collum York, and I was afraid I would find disappointment in this Foxhole. Shucks, I have two bios of York, all I've been able to find.

Well, SAM, I am sorry that I doubted you. That piece was the best York thing I ever saw, except much too darn short! The pieces you used of York's account are well chosen, very nice.

Did some thinking about little details, putting together lots of sources, and here is how I see the story, done short.

York was kneeling and sitting in a little dip in the ground, just deep enough so he could just duck when the machine gun fire got too close. All of the brush in his area was mowed down like grass. The Germans would just barely peek over the edge of the high ground they were on, exposing just the eyes under the helmet, so as to correct their fire, then duck. Just a bob of the head. Pretty quick the brave and foolish Germans were all dead. The Germans tried raising several helmets on sticks at the same time one of them peaked out, so York had to figure which one had the head in it right quick. York had to be shooting when he saw the eyes - tenths of a second. Otherwise the Germans stayed low, behind their Maxims, heads down, and hosed over the crest.

Those Germans York killed with his M1911 were charging him with bayonets fixed, from about fifty feet away. Something less than six seconds before they got him. York figured that if they stopped and took aim he was a goner. Shot all seven dead in maybe four seconds. The last fell at York's feet, it has been reported. Shot with one hand while holding his Enfield in the other. That boy could shoot. They say that with a pistol York was equally good with either hand, by the way. Real, real, talent.

York didn't like to talk about this sort of thing, so I am "interpolating" lots of it, but I figure I am correct.

One thing is for absolutely sure, Alvin York was a true gentleman. Even had the gentleman's unfortunate head for finances! Snippy, here is your "manly man"!

141 posted on 03/02/2004 2:11:01 AM PST by Iris7 (Lies are to deceive the enemy. All you lie to, especially yourself, are your enemies.)
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To: Iris7
Thanks Iris7. I just put together some articles I found. I found one site that had exerpts from York's diary but the thread was getting a bit too long already. Good interpretation of the events. Amazing when you think about what he accomplished.
146 posted on 03/02/2004 6:54:33 AM PST by SAMWolf (John Kerry has mentioned his Vietnam service more times than there are names on the Vietnam Memorial)
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To: Iris7; PhilDragoo
Thanks for putting that together, Iris. I've never quite understood the sequence of events and that movie didn't help much. I've always liked the .45 pistol - York must've too! He didn't have to go tell every audience he was a WWI veteran, unlike Ketchup-boy.

Phil, I'm ashamed to say I didn't know Armand's father was a founder of the CPUSA. Boy, does that ever explain a lot. I'll have to pick up Dossier.

This election seems to be bringing to a head most of the threads of both the culture war and the war between socialism and free market democracy. I acknowledge Bush is not the ideal, prototype conservative, but I get very frustrated with folks who don't see what's at stake here.

148 posted on 03/02/2004 9:26:39 AM PST by colorado tanker ("There are but two parties now, Traitors and Patriots")
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To: Iris7
Snippy, here is your "manly man"!

LOL. He could of been a contender. ;-)

149 posted on 03/02/2004 1:35:43 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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