[colorado tanker]

Thanks for some interesting information. The Shanghai station and the Yangtze gunboats are almost a forgotten subject in our history. Sam, has a thread been done on this?

Using military force to protect commerce has gotten a bad name, unfairly so in my opinion. Think about it. The primary destablizing countries who triggered WWII, Germany, Italy and Japan, have all decided that getting rich is more fun than fighting wars. If we can persuade the Arabs that this is so, we will have come a long way toward winning the war on terror.

[SAMWolf]

I don't think we've covered the Yangtze Gunboats. It'd be a good subject, We'll look and see what we can find.

[Light Speed]

Several good posts recently on FR concerning lying and deception as a permisable and desired reality within Islam...quotes abound in the Quran for Jihadi to exploit.

Another facet is *Extortion as a intereim reality between Al Harb [House of War] and subjugation.

Since Sept 11th the U.S. has been paying out way too much money to these savages..and getting nothing in return.

Heavy sigh,..Are we too soft and morally confused in this war on terror and ..Extorion /cash windfall thingy?

Ghost of Black Jack Pershing come and kick our butts..then crush the Jihadi like were supposed too : )