Who do we liberate next?

4/9 | FreedomLuver

[Commander8]

North Korea, if we have the resources to pull it off.

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[Mike4Freedom]

North Korea, if we have the resources to pull it off.

No, North Korea only if we really have to-like if they invade the South. Otherwise my first pick is Syria with the excuse that Saddam moved his chem/bio WMDs to Syria and we have to retrieve them. Whatever our next war is, it will be a nation with oil.

All the other dictatorships with people suffering for generations will just have to continue suffering. No oil, no help from the United States of neo-conservatives.

[Consort]

Politicians take an oath of office to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Therefore, we have an obligation to address both. My list is:

Syria, New Jersey, California, and North Korea — in that order.

[thoughtomator]

Israel. From the Arabs.

[Timothy Paul]

Enemies that pose the greatest threat to the U.S. Maryland New Jersey and California, then North Korea. Just how does Syria pose a threat to us?

[Consort]

Just how does Syria pose a threat to us?

Syria is a major supporter of terrorists. Some of the terrorists now killing US personnel in Iraq came from Syria. It is believed that material and fugitives from Iraq are now in safe haven in Syria. Syria is a major threat to our ally, Israel, and it controls Lebanon, as well. Syria is a major cause of unrest in the Middle East. That's just for starters, but you already knew all this. What's your opinion of Syria.

[Timothy Paul]

"Syria is a major supporter of terrorists."
So is Saudia Arabia, lets invade Saudi Arabia.

"Some of the terrorists now killing US personnel in Iraq came from Syria."
Some came from Saudia Arabia too.
So much for that, Syria may be a terribly evil state but it poses no direct threat to the U.S. and only to the U.S. interests in the Middle East. I'm sure you'll agree we have no business in the Middle East (aside from Iraq) and our intervention there is only hampering our ally, Israel and causing the deaths of Israelis every day.

[Consort]

You asked about Syria, so why do you keep harping on Saudi Arabia? Make up your mind. In the meantime Syria is part of the Axis of Evil. That's the way it is.

[Timothy Paul]

I am merely pointing out that Saudia Arabia is more of a danger to America than is Syria. How many of the terrorists that perpatrated the 9/11 attacks were Syrians? The answer is zero. They were mainly from Saudia Arabia. My point is that if you want to invade Syria because it poses a threat you should also want to invade Saudia Arabia for posing a threat to us as well. Saudia Arabia is a greater threat to America than Syria.
"In the meantime Syria is part of the Axis of Evil. That's the way it is."
Thats the way Bush says it is.

[Consort]

I am merely pointing out that Saudia Arabia is more of a danger to America than is Syria.

That isn't necessarliy the case. Again, I don't care much for the Saudi Royal Family, but I think that without the presence of US bases there, Osama and Al Qaeda would have taken total control of that country and its oil resources.

IMO, Al Qaeda selected Saudis for the 9/11 attacks, in part, to drive a wedge between the US and Saudi Arabia to get us out of Mecca. Osama/Al Qaeda control of Saudi Arabia would be deadly for Israel and very costly for us. If that scenario is accurate, then Bush is doing OK with the Saudis. Oil is a strategic resource for the West and a big source of revenue for whoever controls it — Osama or the Royal Family.

[dirtboy]

My point is that if you want to invade Syria because it poses a threat you should also want to invade Saudia Arabia for posing a threat to us as well.

The Saudis have the only significant surplus oil production in the world. Invade Saudi Arabia, and that goes off-line. The Saudis have used that power to immunize themselves from pressure from Washington for some time.

Now, we're next door to Saudi Arabia AND Iran. We're rebuilding the Iraqi oil production so that they, too, can be a source of surplus capacity. And that will, in about 2-3 years, allow us to tell the Saudis to go pound sand. They have been much more cooperative because they see where things are going in the Middle East.

[Celtman]

Invade Saudi Arabia, and that goes off-line. . . .
We're rebuilding the Iraqi oil production so that they, too, can be a source of surplus capacity . . .

      So . . . under US occupation, Iraqi production will increase . . . under US occupation, Saudi production would decrease?

[dirtboy]

So . . . under US occupation, Iraqi production will increase . . . under US occupation, Saudi production would decrease?

You have to look at the short-to-mid term aspects. Notice that Iraqi production will take some time to bring on-line. If we went into Saudi Arabia and the Saudis blew the infrastructure, it would take at least 1-2 years to restore it - and that would be a serious impact on the world economy. So there needs to be other sources of surplus capacity.

You have to realize the nature of Saudi oil production. They have wells that produce 10,000 bbls a day. They can alter their production by driving a pickup out to the oil field and adjusting a few valves. No other country currently has that, and the Saudis have used that power to both fill shortfalls and to prevent gluts.

[Held_to_Ransom]

Yes, but if we actually succeed in Iraq, which we certainly have not yet, the Suadi government is very likely to take and header. I still find it hard to understand the basis of a foreign policy that actually is burning the candle at both ends. It's true we did so for a very long time by promulgating wars in and between these counries, but achieving the same results by promoting justice and equality is still strange, particularly as our so-called 'best allies' will be the victims in the end.

Oh well.

[NMC EXP]

There's a lot of people that would appreciate the sweet freedom of democracy, but who gets priority?

Well....I'm with the Founders....democracy sucks.

To answer your question, WE should get priority. Lets restore our Constitutional Republic to what was envisioned by the Founders right here in these united States of America.

In addition, I'd vote for a complete cessation of all foreign aid (read international welfare). In other words, fix America first. Either leave those tax dollars in the pockets of those who earned them or spend them right here.

Third, whats the point of spending money on defense if they are going to waste it by attacking the wrong targets?

Regards

J.R.

[Voice in your head]

Most of the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. I'll agree with that. So what will an invasion of Saudi Arabia accomplish? Toppling the Saudi monarchy will do nothing about the hatred that Arabs have for us. The 9/11 hijackers were not high-placed government officials or members of any military whom we would target in a military campaign. They were civilians who hated the US and carried out a mass murder. Unless an invasion were designed to kill everybody in the country, I do not see how invading Saudi Arabia would accomplish anything worthwhile.

[jackbob]

Saudi Arabia, Iran, and a billion other people. This can be done inexpensively by withdrawing all out troops from the region, by routing them through Mecca. With mobile infantry and armor as security, the engineers alone could accomplish the task with very little loss of life.

First move the population safely out of the way. Then reduce the city to rubble, and grind down the rock to a fine powder which can then be easily transported to the Washington D.C. and flushed down a White House toilet. Liberation complete.

[t03]

actually wouldn't a country like France make more sense?There are several very compelling reasons:
1. they have WMD
2. we could freely use terms like French fries again. Don't we find it hard to handle this logical conclusion:
1. we renamed french fires to freedom fries
2. therefore french equates to freedom
3. it could be a perfectly logical place for US troops in Iraq to get r&r and cheaper than the US
4. once we declared our intentions the French would surrender
5. the record! - if we do it properly we could easily beat the German record
6. EBAY profits - rather than destroying those statues with an adoring freedom public sell them on EBAY!

once done with France why not liberate Cuba? Heck, it is on our way back home.