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I never said anything even remotely like that. I did say, quote: "I don't see the level of guilt by association that you and others seem to see in David Frum's piece."

Yes, meaning that you do not see all the guilt by association that dominates the piece. As my last post demonstrated, it is pervasive throughout his argument.

As I said, if you read the first two paragraphs, you'll understand the relevent aspects and the thrust of Frum's piece.

No you won't. Not until, at minimum, paragraph four does it become clear. The first two paragraphs simply make anonymous characterizations about certain conservatives. He does not specify who they are until paragraph four, and after that he devotes the entire article to smearing them.

You've decided to turn this into something it is not.

To the contrary. You seem to prefer that giving attention to only those first two paragraphs and ignoring the much more underhanded content of the rest of it.

I don't believe your assertion, that "guilt by association" dominates the piece. I believe truth dominates the piece and as with Bob Novak, that truth seems to have you very upset. Needless to say, no effort on your part will convince me otherwise. You take certain well known truths, twist them using a form of convoluted reasoning --- in this case, an over dramatized version of guilt by association --- so you can reach the desired conclusions you want. As with Ilana Mercer you've shown an acceptance of a viewpoint, that simply doesn't exist. Guilt by association isn't driving this article.

Again, Frum lays out factual information that can not be denied. One quick example, to specifically offset an allegation you made. It is well known, that Joe Sobran, Pat Buchanan and Bob Novak are not pro-Israel, don't support Israel and have never been defenders of the Israeli people. I don't consider Novak to be an anti Semite, but Buchanan brushes up against anti-Semitism now and then, and Joe Sobran is an anti-Semite, IMO. Frum's entitled to his opinion. As for labeling people with individualized set of political standards, big deal. We all do it. The fact Frum lumps these conservatives together, labeling them "antiwar conservatives", should come as no surprise to anyone. All of the parties mentioned have that fact in common. They're all against the war with Iraq! LOL

Look, I'm no fan of David Frum, but you obviosuly don't like the man. Okay fine.

Have it your way.