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To: justlurking
>>>Government doesn't "grant" the people anything. It's the other way around: the people grant powers to the government.

That's what I said! LOL You're not paying attention. You quoted me correctly and then proceeded to say, that's not what I said, when it was. Through the power of "We The People"... What do you think that means? It means exactly what Jefferson said, "... deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed..."

>>>However, I noticed that you avoided response to my explicit example of how the War on Some Drugs has enabled the War on Guns. Is it too painful to admit that you might be wrong?

You see a sinister plot behind everything to do with the government. I don't. The fact is, you do not trust government at all. Period. I have a basic trust of government, but remain skeptical and vigilant.

29 posted on 08/25/2002 10:00:59 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: Reagan Man
That's what I said!

No it isn't. I quoted it exactly:

government, nonetheless, through the power of "We The People...", have always secured, granted and protected the rights of the people

Had you simply written secured and protected, I wouldn't have corrected you.

You see a sinister plot behind everything to do with the government. I don't. The fact is, you do not trust government at all. Period.

I don't trust people that use government to pursue personal agendas they couldn't implement without the power of law. That includes bureaucrats, politicians, and otherwise well-meaning voters that believe they are morally superior.

But, it's no sinister plot. It's the natural order of government in general and bureacracies in particular, which has been repeated again and again throughout history.

I have a basic trust of government, but remain skeptical and vigilant.

I just documented a specific case in which your "skepticism and vigilance" has failed. A precedent set by the War on Some Drugs has already been used to infringe one of the very rights that you have stated as important to you:

I'm a big supporter of my right to own firearms for protection and recreation.

But, instead you roll out the ad hominem argument -- a sure sign that your carefully constructed rationalization is crumbling around you.

30 posted on 08/25/2002 10:52:17 PM PDT by justlurking
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