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Neoconservatism, not libertarianism, is the true aberration on the American Right
Charleston City Paper ^ | 2010-04-07 | Jack Hunter aka Southern Avenger

Posted on 04/08/2010 9:27:19 AM PDT by rabscuttle385

During a question-and-answer session at the 2010 Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington, D.C., one man opined, "One thing I've learned here at CPAC is that the 'C' actually doesn't stand for 'libertarianism.' It's not 'L'PAC." When Congressman Ron Paul won the annual straw poll at CPAC, talk radio host Rush Limbaugh made a point to tell his listeners that CPAC wasn't conservative this year because a libertarian had won.

Both men are worse than just wrong. They're out of their minds.

Arguably the most popular history of American conservatism, George H. Nash's book The Conservative Intellectual Movement in America begins with libertarianism. In the first chapter titled "The Revolt of the Libertarians," Nash states: "For those who believed in the creed of old-fashioned, classical, 19th-century liberal individualism, 1945 was especially lonely, unpromising, and bleak. Free markets, private property, limited government, self reliance, laissez-faire — it had been a long time since principles like these guided government and persuaded peoples."

Chronicling the intellectuals who tried to rectify this bleakness, Nash begins his history with two men: economists F.A. Hayek and Ludwig von Mises. Then he explains how these libertarian heroes kick-started the American conservative movement. Few actually used the word "conservatism" in 1945, a term that began to gain popularity when Russell Kirk's book The Conservative Mind was published in 1953 and with the founding of William F. Buckley's National Review in 1955. Nash notes that even Kirk was inspired by both Hayek and Mises, writing to a friend that these men represented a "great school of economists of a much sounder and different mind."

After Hayek and Mises, Nash then cites Albert Jay Nock, publisher of the unabashedly libertarian magazine The Freeman in the 1920s. Writes Nash: "Nock came to exert a significant amount of influence on the postwar Right," yet was so libertarian that "Nock verged on anarchism in his denunciations of the inherently aggrandizing State." Noting the impression Nock made on a young Buckley, Nash explained that "it was Nockian libertarianism, in fact, which exercised the first conservative influence on the future editor of National Review."

Edwin J. Feulner, Jr., president of the conservative think tank the Heritage Foundation, says, "Nash's work is one of the very few books that must be read for a full understanding of the conservative movement in America." However, Feulner's Heritage Foundation advertises on Limbaugh's show, where the host is seemingly oblivious to the fact that the American conservative movement could not have existed without libertarianism. Furthermore, pundits like Rush often claim to be "Reagan conservatives." However, they seem to forget that in 1976 said Reagan, "I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism." As you can see, advocating for "limited government" without employing some degree of libertarianism would be logistically impossible.

Which is exactly why so many of today's so-called conservatives are so quick to dismiss it. If there is an interloping ideology on the Right today, it is not libertarianism but neoconservatism, an ideology born not of limited government philosophy but of ex-socialists who migrated Right in reaction to the counterculture of the 1960s. Today, neoncons are devoted to promoting the maintenance and expansion of America's global empire.

Whereas traditional conservatives considered war — and the massive bureaucracy necessary to wage it — an occasional, necessary evil, neoconservatives consider perpetual war a good precisely because they believe it is America's mission to export democracy to the rest of the world.

Questioning the cost or wisdom of waging perpetual war is considered unconscionable or even "unpatriotic" to neoconservatives, which is why they are so dismissive of libertarians and others who question foreign policy. Most neoconservatives instinctively realize that their ideology is incompatible with the libertarian's pesky obsession with limited government, giving neocons reason to marginalize, or expel, any libertarian influence that threatens to expose the statist nature of today's mainstream conservative movement.

Considering their new, radical definition, it's easy to see why Rush and other mainstream conservatives don't consider libertarians part of their movement —because they're not. And while it remains to be seen how the irreconcilable differences will play out between limited government libertarians (whose numbers are growing) and big government neoconservatives (whose ideology still dominates), let there be no more ignorance about which philosophy is truly more alien to the historical American conservative movement. And let there be no further delusions about which philosophy was most responsible for creating it.

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To: Gen. Burkhalter
I'm not for kicking anyone out of the tent. With that said, you don't pick your pope from among the converts.

Bennett is incredibly bright albeit way too statist. Horowitz really gets what we are up against being a red diaper doper baby himself. And Reagan was the closest thing we've had to a conservative president since Calvin Coolidge.

61 posted on 04/08/2010 10:51:49 AM PDT by NeoCaveman ("workers of the world unite, it's not just a slogan anymore" SEIU's Andy Stern)
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To: marron
The problem is that when we draw down in Iraq and Afghanistan, leaving a "response force" in Kuwait, we leave the jihadis free to move somewhere else, with their ideological and financial lifelines from Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and, yes, Kuwait, alive and thriving.

It's an endless game of whack a mole, where we never look under the table to stop the moles from breeding.

62 posted on 04/08/2010 10:52:33 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (Mi Tio es infermo, pero la carretera es verde!)
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To: Nosterrex
Classical Liberalism is more concerned about INDIVIDUAL freedoms than international affairs.

I would agree this is an equal concern, sure. But classical liberalism is just as much about promoting and about propagating free enterprise worldwide as it is promoting freedom of the individual. At the very core of the philosophy is that the two are not mutually exclusive....but are in fact wholly dependent.

Prosperity results in liberty for more individuals. Most conservative, liberty grounded political philosophies recognize this, but differ substantially on the methods and policies that should be used to get there.
63 posted on 04/08/2010 10:52:36 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: rabscuttle385

I contend that they are pseudo-conservatives, rather than neo-conservatives.

By way of clarification: Rather than “new” conservatives, which implies that they are simply the next generation of conservatives, I contend that they are “false” conservatives; that is, not really conservative at all.

How’s that for semantics?


64 posted on 04/08/2010 10:53:46 AM PDT by ronnyquest (There's a communist living in the White House! Now, what are you going to do about it?)
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To: Jewbacca
Someone define “neoconservative” for me.

You can find the definition in this book, which was written by the godfather of Neoconservatism:


NEOCONSERVATISM:
The Autobiography Of An Idea

It has the same relationship to true conservatism that Black Liberation Theology does to the Gospel of Christ.

65 posted on 04/08/2010 10:56:22 AM PDT by ChrisInAR (Alright, tighten your shorts, Pilgrim, & sing like the Duke!)
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To: Dan(9698)
Libertarians arguments all resolve to “I want to smoke dope”

What business is it of yours if I do?

Your ignorant, yet oh-so-common insult shows that you have the same intellect that the liberals & progressives who trash Sarah Palin do.

66 posted on 04/08/2010 11:00:38 AM PDT by ChrisInAR (Alright, tighten your shorts, Pilgrim, & sing like the Duke!)
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To: Stepan12
Well, maybe if you actually took the time to understand what they are REALLY about, instead of the lies you are spouting, you wouldn't feel that way.

As it is, I can only assume you are just another idiotic troll with nothing better to do.

67 posted on 04/08/2010 11:07:42 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (III, Oathkeeper)
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To: OkiMusashi
All part and parcel under the same umbrella term as far as I'm concerned.

If you are FOR bigger and expanded government, you are no Conservative. Period.

68 posted on 04/08/2010 11:09:12 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (III, Oathkeeper)
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To: Dead Corpse
If you are FOR bigger and expanded government, you are no Conservative. Period.

Right on.

69 posted on 04/08/2010 11:11:26 AM PDT by NeoCaveman ("workers of the world unite, it's not just a slogan anymore" SEIU's Andy Stern)
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To: Stepan12
A "few" Right-wing bounces?

Like real RKBA? Like real laissez-faire capitalism? Like real limited government? Like real personal responsibility? Like real property Rights?

You still don't have a clue. You don't win an argument against rabid individualists by invoking collectivist/socialist imagery. You just make yourself look retarded.

70 posted on 04/08/2010 11:17:05 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (III, Oathkeeper)
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To: bamahead
What happens if other countries in the world do not share your beliefs in free trade and laissez faire? 19th-cent. Britain was able to become enormously wealthy and to spread the gospel of free trade over most of the world solely because it had the world's best navy and could keep trade routes open. The young United States had to build a navy to keep its merchant sailors safe from Islamic pirates. Today we engage in so-called free trade with nations which are really mercantilist, like Red China, which does not simply peacefully buy what it wants; it steals technology and sends its agents around the world to gain exclusive control of critical raw materials like rare earths, and builds up its offensive warmaking capability.

Too many libertarians are ideologues who spout abstract dogma and ignore the lessons of history.

71 posted on 04/08/2010 11:19:51 AM PDT by hellbender
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To: Stepan12
If you want a decent essay on libertarianism, read this pamphlet that was written in 1850 by a man that libertarians & strict constitutions like myself hold in high refard:

http://www.constitution.org/law/bastiat.htm

Please pay special attention to the Preface, because I think it is very impoertant these days.

Notice also how Mr. Bastiat, who was a member of the French legislature, praises the United States. My only disagreement w/ him is that he didn't think that women should have the right to vote, but other than that I think his words are spot-on. It sends "a thrill up my leg" every time I read it!

72 posted on 04/08/2010 11:20:16 AM PDT by ChrisInAR (Alright, tighten your shorts, Pilgrim, & sing like the Duke!)
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To: Daveinyork

Dope is against the law for good reason.

I’ll will report any dope smokers, injectors or snorters in my neighborhood.

I love how breaking the law for illegals is bad, yet Libertarians think they are special.

Libertarians are not libertarian by definition by the way, and far from conservative.


73 posted on 04/08/2010 11:25:23 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Let hot tar wash their throats and may it flow freely.)
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To: Notary Sojac

“I would use the term “neo con” to refer to someone who supports undeclared wars, with undefined enemies, and rules of engagement which guarantee our troops will be pinned down for decades.”

Like Vietnam, Korea, Grenada, Panama, Iraq,

...also like Al Qeada...

Libertarians can play that game but they are nothing but liberals to me.


74 posted on 04/08/2010 11:31:23 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Let hot tar wash their throats and may it flow freely.)
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To: rbmillerjr
Dope is against the law for good reason.

Because it helps prop up the Nanny State and keeps the money flowing for ever more government.

Nice going jackass.

75 posted on 04/08/2010 11:31:54 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (III, Oathkeeper)
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To: rbmillerjr
Libertarians can play that game but they are nothing but liberals to me.

That's only because you like bigger government as long as it's YOUR type of bigger government.

76 posted on 04/08/2010 11:33:29 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (III, Oathkeeper)
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To: rbmillerjr
Dope is against the law for good reason.

So is the use &/or addiction to nicotine & alcohol.

77 posted on 04/08/2010 11:37:27 AM PDT by ChrisInAR (Alright, tighten your shorts, Pilgrim, & sing like the Duke!)
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To: Dead Corpse

Drugs are for liberal losers and conservative losers.

A loser is a loser lol.


78 posted on 04/08/2010 11:39:32 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Let hot tar wash their throats and may it flow freely.)
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To: ChrisInAR

I’M SORRY...I misread your post (I thought it said “OF reason”, not “for a reason”. My bad!!!!!!!!!!

I’m legally blind, so I tend to misread things. Sorry about that.


79 posted on 04/08/2010 11:40:08 AM PDT by ChrisInAR (Alright, tighten your shorts, Pilgrim, & sing like the Duke!)
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To: Dead Corpse

“That’s only because you like bigger government as long as it’s YOUR type of bigger government.”

I find it amusing when dopeheads attempt to hide behind the ruse of limited government.

I’m for limited government, “no government” doesn’t work.


80 posted on 04/08/2010 11:43:00 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Let hot tar wash their throats and may it flow freely.)
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