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Why Do Conservatives Still Love the Drug War?
Campaign for Liberty ^ | 2010-04-02 | Jacob Hornberger

Posted on 04/04/2010 6:51:11 AM PDT by rabscuttle385

An article by a conservative named Cliff Kincaid, who serves as editor of the Accuracy in Media (AIM) Report, provides a perfect example of how different libertarians are from conservatives and, well, for that matter, how there ain't a dime's worth of difference, when it comes to individual freedom, between conservatives and liberals.

The article concerns the drug war and is entitled, "Dopey Conservatives for Dope." Ardently defending the continuation of the drug war, despite some 35 years of manifest failure, Kincaid takes fellow conservatives to task who are finally joining libertarians in calling for an end to the drug war. He specifically mentions columnist Steve Chapman, whose article "In the Drug War, Drugs are Winning," which was posted on the website of the conservative website Townhall.com, was apparently what set Kincaid off.

Chapman made the point that it is the illegality of drugs that has produced the drug gangs and cartels, along with all the violence that has come with them. The reason that such gangs and cartels fear legalization is that they know that legalization would put them out of business immediately.

Consider alcohol. Today, there are thousands of liquor suppliers selling alcohol to consumers notwithstanding the fact that liquor might be considered harmful to people. They have aggressive advertising and marketing campaigns and are doing their best to maximize profits by providing a product that consumers wish to buy. Their competitive efforts to expand market share are entirely peaceful.

Now, suppose liquor production or distribution was made a federal felony offense, just like drug production or distribution. At that point, all the established liquor businesses would go out of business.

However, prohibition wouldn't mean that liquor would cease being produced or distributed. It would simply mean that a new type of supplier would immediately enter the black (i.e., illegal) market to fill the void. Those suppliers would be similar in nature to the current suppliers in the drug business or, say, Al Capone -- that is, unsavory people who have no reservations about resorting to violence, such as murdering competitors and killing law-enforcement officers, to expand market share.

At that point, the only way to put these Al Capone-type of people out of business would be by legalizing booze. Once prohibition of alcohol was ended, the violent liquor gangs would immediately go out of business and legitimate businesses would return to the liquor market. The same holds true for drug prohibition.

The big objection to the drug war, however, is not its manifest failure and destructiveness but rather its fundamental assault on individual freedom. If a person isn't free to ingest any substance he wants, then how can he possibly be considered free?

Yet, for decades Kincaid and most other conservatives and most liberals have taken the audacious position that the state should wield the power to punish a person for doing bad things to himself. In fact, the drug war reflects perfectly the nanny-state mindset that has long afflicted both conservatives and liberals. They feel that the state should be a nanny for American adults, treating them like little children, sending them to their jail cell when they put bad things in their mouths.

Kincaid justifies his statism by saying that drugs are bad for people. Even if that's true -- and people should be free to decide that for themselves, as they do with liquor -- so what? Why should that be any business of the state? If I wish to do bad things to myself, why should the likes of Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, George W. Bush, and John McCain wield the power to put me into jail for that?

Quite simply, Kincaid: It ain't any of your business or anyone else's business what I ingest, whether it's booze, drugs, candy, or anything else. I am not a drone in your collective bee hive. I am an individual with the natural, God-given right to live my life any way I choose, so long as my conduct doesn't involve the initiation of force against others.

For decades, conservatives and liberals have been using the drug war as an excuse to assault freedom, free enterprise, privacy, private property, civil liberties, and the Constitution. They have brought nothing but death, violence, destruction, and misery with their 35-year old failed war on drugs. There would be no better place to start dismantling the statism that afflicts our land than by ending the drug war.

Jacob Hornberger is founder and president of The Future of Freedom Foundation.


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To: cripplecreek

See my post #78


81 posted on 04/04/2010 8:06:07 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: rabscuttle385
You can expect the usual libertarian-bashing for posting this excellent article which pointedly exposes the utter hypocrisy both so-called conservatives and so-called liberals exhibit when they say they are for "freedom."

There is one nit that I have with Hornberger's likening the Drug War with Prohibition, however. Even though it is very clear that Prohibition brought about the rise of gang violence when bootleggers fought each other over territory, the end of Prohibition did not put an end to gang violence; organized crime had to diversify into gambling, unions and prostitution to continue in "business."

As for the now-legalized liquor business,

They have aggressive advertising and marketing campaigns and are doing their best to maximize profits by providing a product that consumers wish to buy. Their competitive efforts to expand market share are entirely peaceful.
We should add that the liquor industry (excluding beer and wine) is still a federally regulated oligopoly. Think BATFE. No reason to get violent when the big guns are on your side.

Did you know that one artifact of Prohibition is still with us even now? Alcohol produced for industrial use must be denatured to make people sick if they drink it. For scientific use, there is non-denatured alcohol, which is highly taxed. (Ask me how I know this - it was a science experiment in high school that required non-denatured alcohol, but because of the high tax put on it, I used gin instead. Didn't work.)

I refer you to a recent article in Slate which brings to light how the drug warriors of the 1920s caused the poisoning of thousands of Americans as a consequence of national alcohol Prohibition.

Who said the Nanny State is a recent invention?

82 posted on 04/04/2010 8:06:32 AM PDT by logician2u
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To: KDD
Raich deals with medical marijuana that does not involve commerce nor interstate movement (and I agree entirely with Thomas's dissent here, and think pot should be either legalized or decriminalized).

However, opiates largely require importation and processing, and meth requires manufacture with a wide range of chemicals, and both would be well outside the scope of Thomas's dissent in Raich, IMO.

83 posted on 04/04/2010 8:06:39 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: stuartcr
Problems like MRSA are problems for all of us because it is so difficult to control. The pneumonia is very costly to treat and many of these druggies do not have health insurance because jobs that don't require a drug test, usually don't provide benefits.

I wonder if Obamacare will provide coverage for conditions related to drug abuse? Pull the plug on granny, but take of the druggie.

84 posted on 04/04/2010 8:07:01 AM PDT by Eva
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To: dirtboy

Please...

The Government is in the pocket of the Drug Lords.

No other rationale is really necessary.

You can repeat the Government’s talking points, but you can’t erase their origins.

The Government is in the pocket of the Drug Lords - live with it.


85 posted on 04/04/2010 8:08:21 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism - "Who-whom?")
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To: headsonpikes

When you can’t win the argument, claim conspiracy...


86 posted on 04/04/2010 8:09:02 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Manly Warrior

well how is that working out?


87 posted on 04/04/2010 8:10:54 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: cripplecreek

the only service a drug user is entitled to is a prison!!!


88 posted on 04/04/2010 8:13:34 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: ChrisInAR

I said nothing about the limitations of state and federal governments. I said that the original statement was not well thought-out and illustrated why. You appear to be responding to something entirely beyond the scope of what I said.

Try reading it again. I am not wrong in criticizing his statement.


89 posted on 04/04/2010 8:14:18 AM PDT by flintsilver7 (Honest reporting hasn't caught on in the United States.)
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To: dirtboy
The only way the drug war is profitable to the government is through making cannibus illegal. There are less then 250,000 opiate addicts in this country...compared to 30-40 million Americans who have admitted to smoking grass. The drug war is a war on a weed...a subsidy to cops and a tool of control for government.
90 posted on 04/04/2010 8:17:03 AM PDT by KDD (When the government boot is on your neck, it matters not whether it is the right boot or the left.)
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To: infidel29

The I don’t see how there’s any real difference.


91 posted on 04/04/2010 8:18:01 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: Eva

That doesn’t really address what I said, but ok.


92 posted on 04/04/2010 8:18:47 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: Rockingham

The costs of more wide spread drug use out weighs the costs of the drug war. Plus the analogy to liquor prohibition does not necessarily extrapolate to drugs. Look at gambling. Gambling is legal in Nevada, but it didn’t stop the mob from going there and running the gambling. It didn’t stop the mob from getting involved with Indian gambling, either.


93 posted on 04/04/2010 8:20:07 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Manly Warrior; All
Read history. Anyone who ignores prohibition and what it did to this country has rocks in their heads. As for people who want to legalize drugs in order to stop crime, and it would reduce it severely, being drug users, I am sure some are, but the vast majority are not. I don't use drugs but I am for ending the war on drugs, legalizing MJ and other drugs, and getting the frickin' gangs such as MS13 back on the other side of the border. Before the drug wars, gangs went around with knives, chains and zip guns, now they are better armed than the cops in some cases.

Politicians get huge payoffs in order to keep the "war on drugs" going so that gangs can keep selling the drugs and the LEOs can have unprecedented control over American citizens.

Think about it, dumb a**, how many no knock raids existed before the war on drugs? None. How many citizens were killed during no knock raids before the war on drugs? None.

Our government DOES NOT WANT TO WIN the war on drugs.

People like you would rather see the war on drugs continue with it's crime, killing of innocent victims, enslaving of young children on drugs in order to keep future customers simply because it goes against your beliefs.

People like you commit more sins in one day simply by allowing this BS to continue than any of us who would like to end all of this crime.

We end it by making it legal, which takes the money out of it, which means the gangs have to find some other way to make money or die out.

Also, all the onerous laws that are unconstitutional could be repealed.

You moralistic people who cause more crime than you ever stop make me sick when you claim you are for freedom, you are for making people live the way you want them to, period.

94 posted on 04/04/2010 8:20:15 AM PDT by calex59
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To: tacticalogic

Ironically, Washington was one of the largest distillers of whiskey in early America.


95 posted on 04/04/2010 8:20:30 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Rockingham

What about those that don’t? If it were put up to a vote, then we would at least see how the majority thinks, instead of useless polls. I believe it will be going on the ballot in CA, if not mistaken.


96 posted on 04/04/2010 8:21:07 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: dirtboy
However, opiates largely require importation and processing, and meth requires manufacture with a wide range of chemicals, and both would be well outside the scope of Thomas's dissent in Raich, IMO.

From Joseph Story's Commentaries on the Constitution

"But the question is a very different one, whether, under pretence of an exercise of the power to regulate commerce, congress may in fact impose duties for objects wholly distinct from commerce. The question comes to this, whether a power, exclusively for the regulation of commerce, is a power for the regulation of manufactures? The statement of such a question would seem to involve its own answer. Can a power, granted for one purpose, be transferred to another? If it can, where is the limitation in the constitution? Are not commerce and manufactures as distinct, as commerce and agriculture? If they are, how can a power to regulate one arise from a power to regulate the other? It is true, that commerce and manufactures are, or may be, intimately connected with each other. A regulation of one may injuriously or beneficially affect the other. But that is not the point in controversy. It is, whether congress has a right to regulate that, which is not committed to it, under a power, which is committed to it, simply because there is, or may be an intimate connexion between the powers. If this were admitted, the enumeration of the powers of congress would be wholly unnecessary and nugatory. Agriculture, colonies, capital, machinery, the wages of labour, the profits of stock, the rents of land, the punctual performance of contracts, and the diffusion of knowledge would all be within the scope of the power; for all of them bear an intimate relation to commerce. The result would be, that the powers of congress would embrace the widest extent of legislative functions, to the utter demolition of all constitutional boundaries between the state and national governments. "

Importation of opiates does justify federal government intervention at the border, but justification based on claims of "manufacture" ring hollow.

97 posted on 04/04/2010 8:22:30 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: KDD

I can find common ground here in legalizing and decriminalizing pot. Pot in my experience is less harmful than booze (and no, I don’t use it myself, at least not for many years).


98 posted on 04/04/2010 8:22:51 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: rabscuttle385

The solution is the one actually envisioned by the Founding Fathers: This is a STATE police matter, or should be. The 50 states should be able to try what they want without fedgov involvement. Some states will do better than others - through enforcement, legalization, treatment, whatever - and the other states will eventually follow. Or people will move from those states who fail to adapt.

The real problem is an unconstitutional (no fedgov police power in the Constitution) one-size fits all fedgov approach that crushes individual and state’s rights.


99 posted on 04/04/2010 8:23:12 AM PDT by piytar (Ammo is hard to find! Bought some lately? Please share where at www.ammo-finder.com)
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To: bwc2221
Why do libertarians still love a nut-job like Ron Paul?

Where do you get your infatuation w/ the good doctor...was he mentioned anywhere in this article? Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see his name in it.

I'm not a libertarian, but I admire & respect him. I proudly voted for him in the 2008 GOP Primary. He is a man of integrity, he has principle, & is the strongest advotcate for the Constitution that we have had in Congress sine (probably?) the early 1980's when Rep. Lawrence Patton McDonald was there & was tragically mmurdered. Progressive "conservatives" like you don't like it, but that's the way it is.

100 posted on 04/04/2010 8:23:57 AM PDT by ChrisInAR (Alright, tighten your shorts, Pilgrim, & sing like the Duke!)
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