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Why Do Conservatives Still Love the Drug War?
Campaign for Liberty ^ | 2010-04-02 | Jacob Hornberger

Posted on 04/04/2010 6:51:11 AM PDT by rabscuttle385

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To: tjbandrowsky

And we should ban everything in existence that gives hurt to people in any way, shape, or form?

Is that what you want? For you are emotionally hurting me...

:-P


181 posted on 04/04/2010 12:25:47 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: taxcontrol
I’m being sarcastic but the point is, without laws based on morals... laws intended to prevent the degradation of the society into brutish anarchy, without those markers of acceptability, then first the family disintegrates, then when all bonds of fellowship are broken, we are little more than animals. Each scrapping and fighting to get by.

Then I take it you are for drug legalization. For our nation, founded by more moral men then us, found it right and just to *NOT* impose controls over what any man, or woman could ingest.

It was only in the mid-1910s did this concept become morally acceptable. The Harrison Act of 1914 was the first law on this matter.

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Just because something's 'always been this way' doesn't mean that it's 'always been this way'.

182 posted on 04/04/2010 12:36:51 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: infidel29
Ask yourself, "As a small business owner would I then be allowed to fire an employee for coming to work late after a drinking binge or for returning from lunch drunk?
183 posted on 04/04/2010 12:39:28 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: flintsilver7
I have to say I really don't get what you find so difficult about this.

My point exactly. The difference between a juvenile and an adult.

It can also be put in terms of human (civilized) consciousness.

184 posted on 04/04/2010 12:40:08 PM PDT by jnsun (The Left: the need to manipulate others because of nothing productive to offer.)
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To: dalereed
the only service a drug user is entitled to is a prison!!!

Lock up everyone who's used a drug! Alcohol, tobacco (nicotine), doctor-proscribed prescription medicine!

Sheesh! Talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel, here.

185 posted on 04/04/2010 12:48:02 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: JimRed
Agreed in principle, BUT...when you've (I don't mean you personally, but generally) drugged yourself into a perpetual state of uselessness, government initiates force against me to relieve me (all of us productives) of funds to keep you high 'til you die. Since choices no longer have consequences, why bother to behave rationally?

Seems to me that you're real beef (and mine) is with the government's welfare state. So instead of being diverted from that and wasting your attention on the red-herring of drugs, you really ought to simply keep your eye on the welfare state problem.

186 posted on 04/04/2010 12:55:09 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: Ken H

How could the Commerce clause affect the sale of Californian-grown marijuana for sale in California?


187 posted on 04/04/2010 12:56:31 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: piytar

Of course not, then the political parties would have one less ‘issue’ to campaign on.

Same with abortion, or guns. Neither party has a vested interest in actually dealing with the problem, for if it was solved... how could they motivate their base to come out and vote?


188 posted on 04/04/2010 1:00:33 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: Rockingham

Hmm, sounds like you’ve saying that marijuana is bad for you.

Maybe we ought to ban McDonald’s food, too. It’s bad for you as well.


189 posted on 04/04/2010 1:04:36 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: gogogodzilla
By S-T-R-E-T-C-H-I-N-G it beyond its original understanding. (see fedgov control of health care, education, the environment, ...)
190 posted on 04/04/2010 1:07:17 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: MrEdd

Your vitriol against Dr. / Rep. Paul is nothing short of the bitterness that is spewed out by the progressives over @ MSNBC, DailyKos & DU. Typical PaulHater BS.

It is the PaulHaters that I don’t mind offending....& in fact, I take pleasure in raising their blood pressure. Perhaps all of them should go to work for President Ahmadinejad of Iran. They would be good mouthpieces for him.


191 posted on 04/04/2010 2:06:12 PM PDT by ChrisInAR (Alright, tighten your shorts, Pilgrim, & sing like the Duke!)
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To: Daveinyork
So, you are using the welfare state, which is one abuse of government power, to justify another.

No I'm not. I'm not the one using anything. I am acknowledging that society will. You present no evidence to the contrary, and in fact, don't even engage the issue.

192 posted on 04/04/2010 2:22:02 PM PDT by TN4Liberty (My tagline disappeared so this is my new one.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Substitute “alcohol” for “drugs”.

So you think society holds individuals accountable for their alcohol related problems? I don't think so.

I accepted your terms for the discussion. Simply disagreeing, especially when I stated the conditions I would agree with you tells me yours was not a thought out response. That's fine if that's what your standards are, but if libertarians are serious about persuading people, you'll need to do better than just shout "Prohibition!"

193 posted on 04/04/2010 2:28:07 PM PDT by TN4Liberty (My tagline disappeared so this is my new one.)
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To: Daveinyork
I don’t know. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Anyone willing to sell their soul to Geirge Soros just so they can get high is pretty low even by liberal standards.
194 posted on 04/04/2010 2:42:11 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: nathanbedford

Because some folks need an adult to show them that some behaviors are simply self-destructive, anti-social and immoral. Some need to be forcefully shown. Next question?

I suppose you “in favor” of having folks doing all sorts of every day behaviors (some risky) while out of their minds is just a “self expression” thing, for tax revenues?

News flash-libertine behaviors happen to affect many others; so don’t get upset when you harm another and the big ugly dude with a sharp stick adds the punctuation marks to the story; hey, it is his right to do so under your mistaken reality, right?

How many of you have policed up body parts after a car full of high, drunk kids splatters all over the highway? Or maybe a car full of otherwise family members destroyed by a crack head out of his gourd (probably never was much there in the first place, though). Maybe the house breaker who rapes, murders and mutilates a couple becuase they did not have a hit of herion or enough cash to buy one for him? If it was legal, he’d have the funds to obtain it legally? yeah, okay. Only if obamacare funds it out of taxpayer’s pockets.

Victimless my butt. That’s your reality.

No other reponse from me-either you see the reality of (illicit or not) “recreational” use of drugs or you don’t.

God Bless


195 posted on 04/04/2010 3:02:15 PM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War" (my spelling is generally korrect!))
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To: TN4Liberty

“I am acknowledging that society will.”

Society means the government in most people’s lexicon, ie, the welfare state.


196 posted on 04/04/2010 3:14:34 PM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: Eva

I was born in 1950, does that make me old enough? How old are you?

I guess we’ve just led different lives.


197 posted on 04/04/2010 3:16:55 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: tacticalogic
The commerce clause -- as was held by the US Supreme Court in Gonzales v. Raich.
198 posted on 04/04/2010 3:19:14 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: gogogodzilla

These are different types of harm. The food at McD’s may make one fat but it does not trigger schizophrenia.


199 posted on 04/04/2010 3:21:20 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Daveinyork
Society means the government in most people’s lexicon, ie, the welfare state.

Okay. That doesn't change my point.

200 posted on 04/04/2010 3:23:31 PM PDT by TN4Liberty (My tagline disappeared so this is my new one.)
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