You're going to need to get the RINO's out of the water first...
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Posted on 02/18/2010 6:06:02 PM PST by Delacon
Dude, they snuck into the pool a long time ago. That’s the main problem the GOP has IMHO.
parsy, who wants to fling poop at Libertarians
Well I wish President Reagan and Barry Goldwater were still around because they would disagree with you. Reagan once said that the best part of the conservative movement was its libertarian inclination that always first asks “Can the private sector do it better”? (going from memory here)
I know. That was when the GOP started to go off over the libertarian cliff in regard to economics. Now, your everyday conservative believes all kind of libertarian econo-babble.
parsy, who takes his hat off and bows his head to the fallen GOP
So you are saying that Reagan and Goldwater who basically started the conservative movement immediately drove it off the cliff by welcoming libertarianism into the tent(and they did it early on btw)? William F Buckly, another founder of the conservative movement also did by inviting Frank “Fusionism” Meyer to join his staff at National Review. What you said doesnt make sense dude.
Parsy, who needs the federal government to tell him,and everyone else, how to spend one’s money and live one’s life.
I hope you don’t supervise anyone at work, because based off your political beliefs, you probably are an extreme micromanager.
Lowercase “l” libertarians, yes, uppercase “L” no.
If true, and I assume it is, I suspect the early conservatives knew not what they were letting in under the Big Tent. “Limited” gov’t and “no” gov’t are alike in that each want “less” gov’t than we have now. But the libertarians are like the “every single word in the Bible is literally true” crowd. And they have done to conservatism what the fundies did to religion where you now have otherwise sensible people now think the Earth is only 6,000 years old, and if you don’t believe it, then you are a CINO (Christian in name only.)
So, with the GOP and its conservatives, if you believe in social security, you are a socialist Rino. Ditto for minimum wages, wage and hour laws, worker’s comp laws, child labor laws, FDA, social security, medicare, etc.
Believe in those you and you are a socialist.
Don’t believe me? Wait and see how many “conservatives” jump on this and other posts when social security comes up. or minimum wages. Keep an eye out and you will see what I mean.
Check in on a few “Taxes are going up” threads and listen to the wailing and gnashing of teeth from so-called conservatives who are scared to death that there will not be a rich person to take care of them and give them a job.
This is not “conservatism.” This is libertarian orthodoxy. And it will continue to cripple the GOP. You might get back in power over the Obama reaction. But it is only a reprieve. The GOP has lost its way because of the gov’t-nihiklist libertarians.
parsy, who has experienced all this
Other than both parties agreeing that buying shoddy products from China produced by slave labor is a good thing, I'm not aware of too many more likenesses between republicans and liberaltarians.
Keeping in mind that if you claim you are neutral on a subject, you really are for it (by not enforcing laws against it, you're in support of it):
Conservatives AREN'T for open borders, liberaltarians are.
Conservative AREN'T for abortion: liberaltarians are.
Conservatives believe that homosexuality is an abomination; i.e. they're against same sex deviants marrying. Liberaltarians believe that marriage shouldn't be sanctioned by the state.
Conservatives believe that drug use is harmful to the individual, and thus harmful to society. Liberaltarians think they can do anything they want with their body, as long as it "directly" doesn't hurt anyone else (in other words, they can't see past the ash on their doobie).
Conservatives believe in God and His laws; liberaltarians live in a la la moral relativist land. Even the so-called "Christian libertarians" don't believe that government has a role in punishment. Scripture says differently.
Why sling poop at a party that already wallows in it?
Libertarians are the people who don’t want the government spending your money on having kids put condoms on cucumbers and read “Heather Has Two Mommies” OR on goofy “abstinence education”. Bottom line, libertarians are people who want you to keep your money and spend it on whatever YOU want to. The founding fathers wanted the same thing.
A very good point. Bush era big governmant, compassionate conservatives should be drowned. I’ll catch heat for this but Huckabee “lets use the government to save their souls” conservatives should meet the same demise.
You won’t catch any heat from me.
Frank Meyer once said “A virtue enforced is no virtue at all”. Iows if you force someone to be moral, where is the virtue in that?
As for L/libertarian... I'm a Jeffersonian libertarian. I believe in the full promise of freedom the Founders tried to establish for this Country. I do not feel that "ends justify the means" in most government endeavors as they are uniquely untrustworthy and duplicitous to a fault. I do not believe in a Nanny State, no matter how noble the intentions.
Ready? Set... Fling!!!
Thank you! I will be careful. After all, Libertarians are experts at disseminating poo.
parsy, who is diving for cover
*fling splat*
Gotcha...
What originally attracted me was their RKBA/private property/free market stance. Too bad they don't focus more on that...
Here is a really good article on the difference between a small government conservative and a Libertarian. I had already formulated my ideas way before I read this, but this guy says it so well, and hits so many points, that it is the best explanation I have ever seen:
http://www.zompist.com/libertos.html
parsy, who hopes you enjoy it
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