Posted on 10/09/2009 8:18:11 PM PDT by rabscuttle385
IMHO, gang activity transcends criminal activity and becomes rebellion against the country. Washington took troops in during his presidency to restore order. I don’t see why it could not be done again, starting Chicago.
Gov’t insurance scares me, but you know it has the potential to be cheaper if gov’t didn’t screw it up. Which I admit is a long shot. I see it a tax cut for businesses. Its where we are going to be in a few years anyway. Businesses will start cutting plans to save money. Ain’t like we ain’t going to be printing money like crazy anyway.
You have to raise minimum wages to raise the pay above minimum wage. That way you redistribute wages from the top down some. Increases have to be incremental and small, but there has been a disconnect between productivity and wages the last 20+ years. One reason credit has mushroomed. Plus once a person can make enough to live, you end the working poor problem, and you take away any excuse welfare bums have not to work.
parsy, who wouldn’t mind being a czar of something
If Bob the day trader, buys oil he can’t use or store, so that he can resell at a higher price, he adds nothing to anything except price. This is called “gambling” and frankly, I think there is a difference between risk and gambling. This is the kind of speculating I am talking about.
If you don’t, then I suggest you tell your investment mgr you don’t mind if he “invests” some of your money on Sea Biscuit to win. Excess money flowing to a thing makes bubbles. Many people have noted the disconnect between supply and demand on oil. It ain’t just me.
Hopefully, the CFTC(?) will get to the bottom of it, but I know enough economics to know that going from $2 to $4 in a hurry ain’t supply and demand.
And no, speculators aren’t doing us any favors. That is BS. Do you think gamblers at Las Vegas are doing us favors also?
parsy, who says oil ain’t like soybeans
I’ll answer tomorrow. Its 3:30 and I have clients at office tomorrow.
parsy, who has to crash
Bravo - Great Comment
Did you even read the article? A well-reasoned and reasonable essay gets utterly ignored, and some reationary types an off-base sentence, and you are thankful for the ridiculous sentence. Is it intellectual laziness? You just prefer to have an easy way to oppose someone with a different approach to most of the same goals? (It seems to work for the majority of those who have stark opposition to different Christian denominations.)
Try post #14, and see if that helps any.
The Posse Comitatus Act, for starters.
Me too. That is a nasty social Marxist authortarian streak that the Libertarian leadership has embraced which keeps it on the margins of power. They should have gone the live and let live path of social freedom instead of the Marxist’s hate and intolerance path for any thought or expression that is not atheist.
Martial law.
parsy
The scorn and derision is not because the predictions are wrong but because they are obvious and most liberatarians do not understand culture, not policy, is what determines if a society is successful or not. Repeal or pass all the laws you want. Eliminate 50% of taxes and 50% of spending or crush people under both and it won't make any difference if the population is immoral.
Conservatives talking about ways to "redistribute wages" (i.e., "redistribution of wealth")? Wtf?
We really are living in bizarro world, aren't we?
Raise minimum wages over next several years to a livable standard.
...and amnesty in all illegal aliens already here.
Socialist healthcare? Living wages? Amnesties?
What sort of crack are you smoking, parsy?
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Cassandra’s curse was to always tell the truth about the future, but never be believed. If you add to that curse that she would be ridiculed, derided, and shunned for making her predictions, you have a pretty fair approximation of what it feels like to be a libertarian.
Sure. That happened to Cassandra because no one ever listened to her predictions. If they had and heeded her warnings, she wouldn't feel that way.
It's the same with libertarians. In a libertarian world they'd take the blame for things that went wrong. In our own real world, they can claim that everything got bad because people didn't listen to them.
I don't want to put down the whole ideology, but to be Rockwellite or Rothbardian libertarian is to be a waste of time and space, a real pain in the *ss -- somebody who never faces the possibility that he or she may actually be wrong about something.
No, you’re living in a bizarro world when you let your society stratify to the degree it has. You get minimum wages up, and the wages above it will go up too. You’ll see a lot of the overpaid management takes some cuts. Have you looked at real wages versus productivity in US?
Like it or not, every economic system distributes wealth. Communism, socialism, fascism, capitalism, aristocracies, plutocracies. Ours has gotten out of whack. Needs a darn good tune-up. Did you read the scary poll that was posted here yesterday? Keep on ignoring reality and we will turn socialist.
parsy, who says concentrate less on words that scare you and more on reality
You better study the Libertarian Party Platform before you go calling yourself a “Christian” AND a “Libertarian”. Those of us that are for the free market and limited government, along with personal responsibility, basing our moral conduct on God’s laws, call ourselves “conservatives”.
You can’t believe in God and His laws and still want to legislate things the He abhors.
Let me see; do you think that legalizing something (alcohol for instance) tells society that the government promotes that sort of behavior? Of course by legalizing drugs more people will use (and abuse) it. Look at abortion. Sure, if it were illegal there would still be back alley abortions. Look at it now, you can walk into any Planned Parenthood infanticide mill and kill your unborn baby with the stroke of a pen.
I don’t know if you’re married and have children. But before you go wanting to legalize every vice in the world and sugarcoat it by saying it’s a “personal responsibility issue”, ask yourself this: “Would I want my OWN child to conduct this type of behavior?”
One word: Lonely!
In Romans 13:4, Paul says a policeman “is God’s servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God’s servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.”
Kinda catching on what the role of government is? (Hint: to protect society, not to destroy it).
“You confuse libertine with libertarian.”
I base my libertarian comments on the Libertarian Party platform.
“And who are you to determine if another’s life has been “ruined”?”
I guess when I see a bunch of junkies in an alleyway shooting up in their neck because they can’t find a good vein in their arm anymore to inject their poison into, I kinda sorta “determine” that those lives have been “ruined”.
But then, I don’t set the moral code for our nation that was founded upon Judeo/Christian principles (guess who did?).
“The matter of whether’s one life has been “ruined” is ultimately between the individual and his (or her) Creator.”
When you speak of a ruined life being an issue between the individual and his Creator (are you saying those that are homosexual, drug abusers, and kill their unborn out of convenience are in fact religion people?) you’re talking about Judgement Day. Prior to that, it’s the law abiding citizens that have to pay for the irresponsible’s behavior, and have the responsibility of legislating just laws.
“Laws are pointless unless there exists, within the body of people whose conduct is governed by such laws, an underlying support for voluntary compliance with them.”
The majority rules huh? If pedophilia is popular, legalize it? Again, we base our laws on God’s moral code. Up until recently, it worked pretty good.
“It’s MY body and I can do with it what I want”.
“You’re right.”
You’re obviously an atheist, as any Christian knows that our bodies are temples of God, and NOT to do with as we please. (But you’re in good company: Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Uncle Fidel...Harry Hay).
“Jefferson’s Declaration—and mind you, it is part of the body of valid U.S. law—speaks quite plainly about the rights of the individual.”
If you think that the Founding Fathers would promote the “if it feels goooood do it” (oh baby, it feeeeels sooooooo goooood!”) lifestyle of the losertarians, you better read this book: “The Christian Life and Character of the Civil Institutions of the United States.”
God bless, I hope you straighten your life up, and don’t ruin too many more with your libertarian philosophy.
I was asked what I would do. Thats it. How did you like the other stuff?
parsy, who thinks this mess needs to be fixed
Wrong.
The role of the Federal government is to
establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity
—Preamble to the United States Constitution, 1787
not simply "protect society."
That means: one, maintaining the rule of law; two, providing for a common (collective) defense of the United States against enemies foreign and domestic; and three, the maintenance of "the Blessings of Liberty" for countless generations of future Americans by guarding against infringements on the rights of the individual, i.e.,
certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness
—Declaration of Independence, 1776
I don’t set the moral code for our nation that was founded upon Judeo/Christian principles
The United States--a union of "free and independent States"--was founded on Enlightment principles of reason, of rationality, and on individual natural rights.
American society, on the other hand, does incorporate and is largely defined by "Judeo/Christian principles."
But, in all cases, the United State government and the American population are not one and the same.
I guess when I see a bunch of junkies in an alleyway shooting up in their neck because they can’t find a good vein in their arm anymore to inject their poison into, I kinda sorta “determine” that those lives have been “ruined”.
What if someone else walked up to you and told you your life was "ruined" simply because you failed to meet up to his standards? How would you feel?
"Ruined" is a deeply subjective standard.
I do not believe the government should act based on subjective standards, a direct violation of the principle of equality under law.
Again, we base our laws on God’s moral code. Up until recently, it worked pretty good.
I could care less what the laws are based on, so long as they are consistent with the Constitution and with the Enlightenment principles that underlie the legal framework of the United States government.
You’re obviously an atheist, as any Christian knows that our bodies are temples of God, and NOT to do with as we please.
What I--or any other individual, for that matter--do with my body is between my Creator and me. (And maybe my primary physician, but that's a different can of worms.) Not between my Creator and me, via you, or between you and me.
Oh, and no, I am not an atheist.
If you think that the Founding Fathers would promote the “if it feels goooood do it” (oh baby, it feeeeels sooooooo goooood!”) lifestyle of the losertarians
Oh, but I do think the Founding Fathers would rather that you leave them be and not run around like a busybody do-gooder trying to impose yourself on others.
That is the heart and core of my argument.
Some of it is okay; some of it is downright socialistic.
But yes, this **** needs to be fixed.
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