Posted on 08/29/2009 3:59:38 PM PDT by El Gringo
Obama Health Care leads to forced indenture.
Can’t any one see where Obama Health Care is headed? The monetary costs are trivial compared to FORCED INDENTURE.
Forced indenture will follow single payer healthcare, as night follows day.
Do those who demand health care for all know what they are asking for? No, they don’t. If they did, they would be embarrassed. Read all
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I don’t want forced dentures.
Well, when the Left tries to get us to cry about, or get angry about, private health insurance companies, and how “mean” they are -—
I bring up Medicaid Estate Recovery -— type that phrase into your browser, and your State, and see what you will find!
These folks chase you to the grave, and seize your assets, after you are dead!
Wow, that is some kind of compassion, isn’t it!
That means that health care providers have no individual rights. The collective right of the people to receive health care would supersede the provider's individual right to set their fees, their hours or change their occupational status or even decide how to apply their skills and knowledge. A collective right, by practical definition, is a state right because it is a right that is provided by the government to all not protected by the government as something possessed by each person. It is also a state right because it supersedes the individual rights of others when the two come into conflict.
It isn't stated in any of the bills that a patient's rights to care supersedes a provider's right to set fees and hours etc, but it doesn't need to. Rights are always adjudicated in the courts. The legislation simply establishes the foundation for the courts to rule in favor of the patient's collective right to health care.
Weiner’s view is collectivist, fascist and totalitarian. Collectivist because it is superior to an individual right. Fascist because it is overseen by one entity the Federal government. Totalitarian because the Federal government is the true possessor of this collective right and the administrator and enforcer of it as well.
Congressman Weiner's view is the underlying philosophy of the entire Health Care Reform legislation the House and Senate have put forth. Consider the setting up of community watch dogs to monitor various health parameters of citizens in the Senate version of the bill. Look at pages 382 - 393.
TITLE I—QUALITY, AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE FOR ALL AMERICANS
Even the citizens themselves will be subject to state set regulations on their behavior in order to fulfill the human right of universal health care. It isn't the individual's liberty that is being protected by that it is the state's control over its health care system that is being guarded. How much clearer can it be that these bills abrogate the concept of individual rights?
Health Care is a Liberty Issue Conservative Underground - 18 August 2009 - Tim Dunkin
Second Bill of Rights aka FDR's economic bill of rights (An early attempt to embed collective rights into American politics and society.)
Just say NO
For Mary Jo
Exactly. It is the premise behind these plans that is the problem, i.e., that all wealth, technology, human skill and ability, somehow fall under the province of the state. As you said, the COLLECTIVE is what matters. This is the exact opposite of the founding principles of this country, i.e., that it is the individual that is of value and to which liberty is divinely granted.
I am very concerned about civil war, if they keep this up. For example, under this mentality, the skills and abilities of physicians would be considered to be now under the authority of the state. Obviously, vast numbers of doctors will not submit to this and may simply quit practicing. If this were to occur, you would have a desperate competition to obtain good medical care. This is serious business.
If they are able to convince the country that health care is of enough importance to justify state control, what about the production and delivery of food? Shelter? These are much higher in Maslow’s hierarchy of needs than health care. Utter disaster would logically follow.
Yes.
The individual will no longer be able to exercise the right to choose between competing health insurance companies. The individuals will no longer be able to exercise the right to pay for their own treatment.
The individual will be subject to the absolute power of the government who will decide who will be treated and who will die.
The individual will be subject to enslavement to work and pay for the treatment of others.
That's single payer, government run health insurance. That's your individual, unalienable rights being controlled by the master government.
Yes.
The individual will no longer be able to exercise the right to choose between competing health insurance companies. The individuals will no longer be able to exercise the right to pay for their own treatment.
The individual will be subject to the absolute power of the government who will decide who will be treated and who will die.
The individual will be subject to enslavement to work and pay for the treatment of others.
That's single payer, government run health insurance. That's your individual, unalienable rights being controlled by the master government.
Once the "right to health care" is firmly entrenched in law and in popular thought as acceptable and Constitutional every aspect of business and industry as well as culture will easily surrender to the concept of collective rights. Individual rights will be history. The founding principles of America will be turned on their head like a top heavy boat capsizing.
The individual will no longer be able to choose anything if the government claims it violates the collective rights of the whole people. Which, as I said, is really the right of the state since no individual could claim it.
Yes, but disastrous effects of adoption of such policies will soon appear, as the loss of the profit motive results in loss of critical goods and services. People are not going to stand for this.
Like I said, I am concerned about civil war, or secessions.
I am too.
REPARATIONS
This is excellent. I think I just found my motto for my sign for the town hall meeting on Tues. night. Mind if I use it?
I’m laughing my self silly. Just hope I don’t get myself all wee-weed up!
Not at all. I’d like it to become our rallying cry. But just remember I wrote it first!
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