[Hacksaw]

And another problem is with LINOs (Libertarians in name only) like Bill Mahr. These are people who are actually big government leftists, who just happen to latch on to the anti-WOD stance of the LP.

To be fair, people like Bill Maher and Howard Stern are what I call "Porn and Pot Libertarians". They are into libertarians for the vices and not the virtues, and call themselves libertarians because liberal is out of vogue.

[MarkL]

To be fair, people like Bill Maher and Howard Stern are what I call "Porn and Pot Libertarians". They are into libertarians for the vices and not the virtues, and call themselves libertarians because liberal is out of vogue.

While I can't speak to Howard Stern's philosophy, I have trouble with calling Maher a "libertarian" of any stripe, for the simple reason that no matter what other issues, the core issue for libertarians is individual liberty, and Maher is a serious big government, nanny state collectivist, at least from what I've heard him espouse.

Mark