Ron Paul Odds to Come in Third in Iowa, New Hampshire

Gambling911 ^ | January 2, 2008

[SubGeniusX]

If this holds true, Ron Paul and Mitt Romney would be the only two Republican candidates consistently placing among the top 3.

[SubGeniusX]

Online oddsmakers have Ron Paul in a comfortable third place finish among bettors in both the Republican Iowa Caucus and the New Hampshire primary.

If this holds true, Ron Paul and Mitt Romney would be the only two Republican candidates consistently placing among the top 3.

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[svcw]

It is scary indeed that Republicans would vote for a candidate with the views of RP (cut and run) because he has money in the bank (especially given where so much of that money is coming from).

[Xenalyte]

That’s not why we’re voting for him.

[Turbopilot]

Paul is at 10% in Iowa, tied with McCain and essentially tied with Thompson (who was at 11% today). That puts only Huckabee and Romney ahead of that group. (Incidentally, it also means Paul should be eligible for Fox's next debate, by their own standards.)

What will be interesting is if the enthusiasm and spirit of Paul supporters translates into significantly higher turnout percentages than other candidates achieve. Purely as a hypothetical example, if he were to have 90% of his Iowan supporters caucus, while other candidates averaged only 30% of their supporters at the caucus, then Paul's 10% poll numbers suddenly equal Huckabee's 30% poll numbers, and may better them depending on how biased the poll actually is.

[svcw]

Then why?

[Xenalyte]

Seriously, you’re asking? Is this your first Ron Paul thread? :)

Because we’re tired of voting for evil because it’s the lesser of two.

Because we don’t want to elect an alleged Republican who will grow the government about 2% slower than a Democrat.

Because we’re sick of the way our government tramples and ignores us.

Because none of the other Republican candidates are true conservatives.

[svcw]

No it is not.
I am baffled as to why you say RP is the only conservative.
But beyond that I believe his foreign policy statements are dangerous and I believe his belief we have no enemies is equally dangerous.

[Xenalyte]

Don’t have time to give you an extensive list, so I’ll just bullet it.

Giuliani = gun-grabbing social liberal.

McCain = McCain/Feingold. (And let’s not forget the whole Keating Five thing.)

Romney = let’s face it, if you’re a Republican who can get elected in Massachusetts, odds are you ain’t that conservative.

Thompson = globalist.

Huckabee = pro-life, otherwise a nanny-stater.

Hunter = heavy into government expansion.

Is that all, or do I need to count Alan Keyes? I wasn’t even aware he was running until, like, yesterday.

[Xenalyte]

I would add that Dr. Paul doesn’t actually believe we have no enemies. How did you form that conclusion?

[Ditto]

Because we’re tired of voting for evil because it’s the lesser of two.

ROTFLMAO. Are you young, or just terminally naive? Life itself is nothing but a series of choices and most often never ideal choices. Why should political choices be any different?

Because none of the other Republican candidates are true conservatives.

RP is a lot of things, but conservative has never been one of them. That Paul would walk away from the WOT because that option fits his twisted libertarian ideology makes him the worst of all possible choices on the Republican side. He would get a hell of a lot of innocent people killed just as certainly as a moonbat like Kucinich would. I see no difference between the two on the only issue that really matters from a presidential standpoint.

[svcw]

Based on what he has said.
There are times when I believe those who support RP do not actually listen to what he says but what others say he has said or what they believe he should say.
Islamic fascists are our enemies and RP does not seem to understand this fact.

[Xenalyte]

No, we actually listen to what HE says, as opposed to the constructs the media and his opponents apply to his words.

[Xenalyte]

That’s because you listen to how people like Rudy Giuliani characterize Dr. Paul, and not to Dr. Paul’s actual words.

Critical thinking, as my husband observes, hurts.

[svcw]

We will disagree on this point because I believe if you have actually heard what he has said you would understand that RP has said we have no real enemies.

[Xenalyte]

I will agree to disagree, cordially of course, because I never heard him say any such thing.

(And it goes without saying that if I do find out he said that, I will apologize to you.)

[svcw]

Thanks. Do me a favor PLEASE do say “agree to disagree”. I can not say why but that phrase just grates on me something awful.

[Ditto]

That’s because you listen to how people like Rudy Giuliani characterize Dr. Paul, and not to Dr. Paul’s actual words.

No, I have heard his words many times over the years. He's a zealot driven by his ideology, not reality. People like him are curiosities when sitting on a back bench in congress, but they are damn dangerous in any position of authority. As I said before, I see no difference between Paul and Kucinich. They are both ideologues.

Critical thinking, as my husband observes, hurts.

Then do a little critical thinking about what happens when there is no US presence in the Mideast and lunatic mullahs with a hatred for modernity have nuke weapons and control of 60% of the world's oil supply.

That's exactly what you are voting for.

[Walker Texas Ranger]

He would get a hell of a lot of innocent people killed

Oh thats rich!

Have you checked the casualty list lately of our troops.And don't forget the innocent civillians.Or do they count?

[publiusF27]

Because we don’t want to elect an alleged Republican who will grow the government about 2% slower than a Democrat.

If only.

Annual government spending grew by $380 billion during the Clinton administration.

It grew by over $1 trillion during the Bush II administration.

That is why I no longer believe the mainstream GOP candidates will do anything to curb the explosive growth in government. We elected a GOP Congress and GW Bush, and the growth rate of government more than doubled.

Paul is my response to that situation.