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Would Reagan Vote for Ron Paul?
National Ledger ^ | 12/27/07 | Matt Towery

Posted on 12/26/2007 9:44:03 PM PST by traviskicks

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I like Reagan, and he did want to limit the size of government. Unfortunately, it did grow under that congress.

I realize that Reagan is highly revered by most conservatives and he was a great man, and a uniter. But I think we should be careful about exalting human beings, to the point of considering it blasphemy if someone doesn't praise them 100%. All human beings are fallible.

The ONLY person worthy of that kind of praise is God Himself.

21 posted on 12/26/2007 11:21:36 PM PST by incindiary (James 1:25)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian; George W. Bush; NapkinUser; DreamsofPolycarp; The_Eaglet; Irontank; ...

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22 posted on 12/27/2007 4:24:24 AM PST by Revelation 911
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To: traviskicks
It is my personal belief that if Reagan were alive and living in Iowa today, and he had to choose among the Republican presidential candidates, that he would likely choose the man the GOP establishment and national media have written off -- Congressman Ron Paul.

Nonsense. Paul is basically running against the Republican Party, and Reagan would have had no part of that.

23 posted on 12/27/2007 4:26:00 AM PST by kevkrom (All those in favor of Thompson, don't raise your hand.)
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To: doug from upland

“We would have made the Soviets mad at us.”

RP would never make the Soviets mad at us since there is no ‘explicit mention’ of that in the Constitution.


24 posted on 12/27/2007 4:28:45 AM PST by DugwayDuke (Ron Paul - building a bridge to the 19th century.)
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To: Mr. Mojo

“Reagan was a limited gov’t conservative, not an anarchist libertarian. Big difference.”

Paul is an anarchist? Please give an example of his positions to back up that charge.


25 posted on 12/27/2007 5:49:41 AM PST by tabsternager
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To: kevkrom

“Paul is basically running against the Republican Party, and Reagan would have had no part of that.”

No, Paul is running against the big government-Rockefeller wing, which has taken control of the Republican party and which Reagan would also be against.


26 posted on 12/27/2007 5:58:19 AM PST by tabsternager
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Paul is running against the big government-Rockefeller wing, which has taken control of the Republican party and which Reagan would also be against.

Is that why (as yet unconfirmed) reports have him bolting the GOP for a third-party run?

If you want to vote for a GOP candidate who will take on the big-government folks, vote Thompson. If you want to have fantasies about a "return" to an era that never existed, vote for Paul and his minor party.

27 posted on 12/27/2007 6:57:05 AM PST by kevkrom (All those in favor of Thompson, don't raise your hand.)
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To: traviskicks

This is video of Matt Towery going into more detail about this article.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFg488AkmaE


28 posted on 12/27/2007 6:58:32 AM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: traviskicks

Joke, right?


29 posted on 12/27/2007 6:59:03 AM PST by Tarpon (Ignorance, the most expensive commodity produced by mankind.)
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To: traviskicks
It is my personal belief that if Reagan were alive and living in Iowa today, and he had to choose among the Republican presidential candidates, that he would likely choose the man the GOP establishment and national media have written off -- Congressman Ron Paul.

The idea that Reagan would vote for a guy who enables the Troofer community is perhaps even more insulting than anything the Left has ever written about him. Towery should be ashamed.

30 posted on 12/27/2007 7:31:04 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (Support Scouting: Raising boys to be strong men and politically incorrect at the same time.)
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What would Ron Paul have done during the Cuban Missile Crisis? That is the problem. We don’t know. He might say it was none of our business what Cuba did as long as they didn’t attack us. What would Ron Paul do if a country Middle East planned a major attack there that threatened to stop the flow of oil to us? That is the problem. We don’t know. What would Ron Paul do if a US embassy were captured in the Middle East? I think we do know about that one. He would be Jimmy Carter.


31 posted on 12/27/2007 8:56:50 AM PST by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: Mr. Silverback; Tarpon

FYI:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1944714/posts


32 posted on 12/27/2007 9:28:04 AM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: kevkrom

First of all, Thompson’s conservative voting record in the Senate isn’t great (86 out of 100).

Secondly, Thompson would never pull in swing voters. That was Bob Dole’s problem. And like Bob Dole, he’d be another uninteresting, losing candidate.


33 posted on 12/27/2007 9:36:20 AM PST by tabsternager
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To: traviskicks
“Ron Paul is one of the outstanding leaders fighting for a stronger national defense. As a former Air Force officer, he knows well the needs of our armed forces, and he always puts them first. We need to keep him fighting for our country.” --Ronald Reagan, US President

“I strongly support Ron Paul. We very badly need to have more representatives who understand in a principled way the importance of property rights and religious freedom.” --Dr. Milton Friedman

“... the most honest man in Congress.” --John McCain

“If you go up and down the issues literally, as far as no more government no matter what. Just please no more government and all of these issues on closed government, on IDs, on cameras - all the things that are true to my heart, Ron Paul comes out the winner.” --Matt Drudge

“I think an enormous part of the Republican Party believes that Ron Paul was the only man who was right on Iraq. He opposed going in, he opposes a foreign policy or interventionism, he’s the one candidate who goes after the neoconservatives and says their influence has got to be removed. And I think wisely in his judgment, he will bring troops home from Cold War commitments of long ago where they don’t belong. ... I like him personally, I know him personally… I will say that he is also the one candidate that everybody knows who fought against big government. He voted against unsure Medicare, the prescription drugs, and No Child Left Behind. He’s consistent, he’s courageous.” --Pat Buchanan

“Ron Paul is talking about the issues. These other candidates and these parties don’t want to talk about the fact that this superpower is spending hundreds of billions of dollars carrying out a global war–it’s unsustainable. So there’s no discussion….These candidates are not being straightforward.“ --Lou Dobbs

“Ron Paul is actually a true conservative… He is the real thing. These other guys in some sense aren’t” --Paul Krugman

“There are 535 people on Capitol Hill whose job it is to write the laws that govern all of us, and he is one of them. There are 535 people on Capitol Hill whose job it is to preserve the Constitution, and he is one of them. There are 535 people on Capitol Hill whose job it is to preserve our liberties, and he is one of them. But in his heart and in his head, in his character and in his intellect, and in what he has done and in what he will become — the Thomas Jefferson of our day — Ron Paul is one of us!” --Andrew Napolitano

34 posted on 12/27/2007 9:53:17 AM PST by FriedmanAdvocate
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To: traviskicks

Would Reagan vote for Ron Paul?

Read Reagan’s quote from Reason Magazine, 1976, and that should give you a likely answer:

“If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals?if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is.”

Paul’s the only libertarian Republican candidate.


35 posted on 12/27/2007 10:00:22 AM PST by tabsternager
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To: FriedmanAdvocate

Nice quotes!


36 posted on 12/27/2007 10:12:11 AM PST by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: traviskicks; Tarpon
Hmmm...last time I checked, September 19, 1984 was almost years before September 11, 2001...and about 20 years before Paul started starring in "documentaries" made by Troofers.

My point stands. Are you ready to go on record saying that Ronald Reagan would be enthusiastic about Troofer backing and wasting government funds reinvestigating 9/11 because Troofers thirst for new red meat?

37 posted on 12/27/2007 10:20:21 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (Support Scouting: Raising boys to be strong men and politically incorrect at the same time.)
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First of all, Thompson’s conservative voting record in the Senate isn’t great (86 out of 100).

Um... Paul's is worse (82).

I always considered Ron Paul more a kook than a conservative. But even I was stunned when I did some analysis of the American Conservative Union’s lifetime ratings for congresspersons. It was worse for Ron Paul than I thought. He is clearly not among the more conservative of our elected representatives. The results surprised me so much, that I reprint here an edited comment I posted to another thread (the ratings referred to are the ACU’s lifetime rartings through 2006):

Ron Paul has only an 82.3 rating. Ha! Some conservative. Here are some well-known Senators who are (or, in case of those who recently left Congress, were) rated more conservative than Paul:

Kay Bailey Hutchison
John Cornyn
Trent Lott
Lindsey Flim Flam Graham
Bill Frist
Amnesty Mel Martinez
Chuck Hagel
John Sununu (New Hampshire for God’s sake!!)
Libby Dole
Lamar Alexander

(Of course there are many other senators, such as Jeff Sessions and Orrin Hatch, who are not listed here because it is a given they are more conservative than Paul.)

Paul has the same rating as John McCain!!!!

(source)

Secondly, Thompson would never pull in swing voters. That was Bob Dole’s problem. And like Bob Dole, he’d be another uninteresting, losing candidate.

While it is anecdotal, there are already lots of stories of disgusted Democrats expressing interest in Thompson. They know a leader when they see one.

38 posted on 12/27/2007 10:34:54 AM PST by kevkrom (All those in favor of Thompson, don't raise your hand.)
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Not a chance. Reagan believed in a muscular foreign policy, not a run away and hide under the bed Foreign Policy like Paul.

This is what Reagan had to say about dogmatic purists demagogues like Paul

By Ronald Reagan in his autobiography An American Life

“When I began entering into the give and take of legislative bargaining in Sacramento, a lot of the most radical conservatives who had supported me during the election didn’t like it. “Compromise” was a dirty word to them and they wouldn’t face the fact that we couldn’t get all of what we wanted today. They wanted all or nothing and they wanted it all at once. If you don’t get it all, some said, don’t take anything. I’d learned while negotiating union contracts that you seldom got everything you asked for. And I agreed with FDR, who said in 1933: ‘I have no expectations of making a hit every time I come to bat. What I seek is the highest possible batting average.’ If you got seventy-five or eighty percent of what you were asking for, I say, you take it and fight for the rest later, and that’s what I told these radical conservatives who never got used to it.”

39 posted on 12/27/2007 10:39:32 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Hillary Clinton has never done one thing right. She thinks that qualifies her to be President?)
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To: Mr. Mojo
"Reagan was a limited gov't conservative, not an anarchist libertarian."

Oh, and Reagan was also a former Democrat, as well.

As was Eisenhower.

So the point at which Ronald Reagan would not have supported Ron Paul is when he was still a democrat, and before he became a Republican?

40 posted on 12/27/2007 1:54:31 PM PST by Designer
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