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Can Liberty Survive Big Government? (RP Endorser - "The cancerous growth of the American Empire.")
Sovereign Society ^ | 8/2/07 | Bob Bauman

Posted on 08/03/2007 10:11:08 PM PDT by George W. Bush

Can Liberty Survive Big Government, Big Spending and Big Mud Slinging?


Today's comment is by Bob Bauman, The Sovereign Society's Legal Counsel and author of many books and reports on the offshore world and personal liberty.

Dear A-Letter Reader,

Recently, our Chairman and a founder of The Sovereign Society, John Pugsley, waxed poetically on the sad state of freedom in America.

As always, I enjoyed hearing his thoughts as he reflected on a theme that also concerns me: The cancerous growth of the American Empire.

Reading afresh about the fundamental principles of America's Founding Fathers made me ponder how little, if any, attention is being paid to those basic principles in the current, all too early U.S. presidential campaign. It's more of a Democratic mud fight between Hillary and Obama, with the luxuriantly dressed John Edwards thrown in for comic relief.

A Bunch of Lost Sheep

Meanwhile, the Republicans wander around like so many lost sheep, each claiming to be the Reagan-like shepherd the distressed flock needs for salvation (at least all except my good friend, U.S. Rep. Ron Paul, with whom I had the honor to serve in the House of Representatives. Indeed, Ron Paul is the only candidate on either side who seems to know history, understand the U.S. Constitution and who is willing to apply both with sound logic).

As a young man many years ago, after much study, I firmly decided that I was a political "conservative." I became national chairman of Young Americans for Freedom (YAF) and, later, of the American Conservative Union (ACU).

William F. Buckley was one of my mentors and I served proudly as a Goldwater for president 1964 delegate from my home state of Maryland. YAF, founded in 1960, was the vanguard of the 1964 Goldwater for president movement, creating a vibrant cadre of young leaders who later graced the Reagan administration. The ACU, founded in 1965, was the senior spin-off of YAF. (Some suggested Old Americans for Freedom, or OAF.)

Nearly half a century ago "conservatism" meant opposing big government in all its forms, bureaucratic waste and pork barrel spending. As recently as 1992, a friend of mine, President George H.W. Bush spoke for me in saying:

"Each month, millions of American families sit down to balance their checkbooks. The federal government must now do the same."

Apparently George the First did not convince George the Second of that fundamental economic fact. 

In those long ago Goldwater days, we young conservatives believed that lower taxes kept government small, that cutting taxes kept money out of the greedy hands of Washington's big spenders.

But we also were against massive deficit spending and skyrocketing debt. Most of all, we believed in government staying out of our private lives, respecting the rule of law and abiding by the Bill of Rights.

No Sane Conservative Can Say We're Winning the Battle
Against Big Government

A decade or so ago we conservatives thought we were winning the battle. But no sane American "conservative" can make such a foolish claim now.

Huge deficits and a perpetually unbalanced budget guarantees eventual inflation and the cheapened U.S. dollar is already here.

Billions for unneeded bailouts of airlines, hedge funds, insurance companies and big businesses is thrown away. Millions in pork barrel spending is tacked onto the so-called Homeland Security bill, a bureaucratic monstrosity.

And we know what has happened to our diminishing liberty, freedom and civil rights. I repeat that the USA Patriot Act is the single greatest assault on the U.S. Constitution ever perpetrated in American history.

We suffer a growing police state with secret spying, searches, forfeiture, arrests and imprisonment without charges or counsel. The president claims the unchecked authority to spy on American citizens, all in the name of combating terrorism.

How to Fight a Growing Police State

The hero of my youth, the late Senator Robert A. Taft of Ohio, was my idea of a true conservative. When in doubt, it was said this son of a president placed the Constitution along side a proposed bill and then formulated his vote accordingly.

With one or two exceptions, that kind of true conservative is scarce in Washington today, and certainly cannot be found in the White House.

As Chairman Pugsley suggested, to survive and be secure, we must engineer our lives, as best we are able, to keep ourselves, our families and our assets out of the reach of the imperial government.

...

BOB BAUMAN, Legal Counsel



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To: traviskicks

Islamic Fascism is the cancer. The United Sates is the cure. Until Ron Paul and his followers figure that out, he’ll be polling in the bottom 2% of candidates.


21 posted on 08/04/2007 10:19:29 AM PDT by Salo
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To: George W. Bush
Can Liberty Survive Big Government

That's an oxymoron.

22 posted on 08/04/2007 10:42:11 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: George W. Bush
“Nearly half a century ago “conservatism” meant opposing big government in all its forms, bureaucratic waste and pork barrel spending.”




Today we have a wing of “conservatives” trying to redefine conservatism so as to remove this cornerstone of what it is all about.

Ron Paul is doing a heroic job of trying to fight this, but his naivete on the threat of Islamic Fascism is something that I can not overlook.

The author of “Jeffersonian” non-interventionism in foreign policy, Jefferson himself, came to realize that groups fueled by a totalitarian ideological/theological vision will not leave us alone if we simply mind our own business.
His experience with the so-called “Barbary Pirates”, who were Islamic fanatics engaged in Jihad, changed his view on this matter.

Buckley/Goldwater/Reagan conservatism included resistance to totalitarian movements as well as standing for limited government.

23 posted on 08/04/2007 10:45:24 AM PDT by rob777 (Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom)
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To: Lurker; MNJohnnie
What is it about Congressman Paul that has all you Big Government Welfare State RINOs so worried?

Savvy Lurker, real savvy.

Try again...

24 posted on 08/04/2007 10:48:03 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: EGPWS
Why should I? I notice neither one of you has an answer.

L

25 posted on 08/04/2007 10:56:28 AM PDT by Lurker (Comparing moderate islam to extremist islam is like comparing small pox to ebola.)
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To: Lurker; MNJohnnie
Why should I?

You shouldn't, but you will....

26 posted on 08/04/2007 10:59:08 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: rob777
“Nearly half a century ago “conservatism” meant opposing big government in all its forms, bureaucratic waste and pork barrel spending.”

It still does.

Only liberals and sheep redefine terms.

27 posted on 08/04/2007 11:02:57 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: George W. Bush

In another posting I mentioned Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution, which enumerates the specific and limited powers and obligations of Congress. As I was re-reading that section before writing my post it made me sad to think about how far we’ve deviated from those basic principles. Of course, this article’s premise has at its core the dim memory of the Roman Republic and the subsequent Empire, which haunts Western culture with its promises of peace and prosperity at the expense of the rule of law and the rights of citizens. (The same sort of haunting memory shadows the European Union continues its growth.)

My concern is not a Roman-style growth into the Empire. I fear a quick decline into chaos, like the two years preceding 1860 or 1931, pushed by unexpected events and incomptent, corrupt public servants. The year 2009 could be very, very different from what I’m experiencing right now.

On the other hand, if we are heading down the path of Rome, that would mean 1,000 years of American nationhood - and the eastern Romans lasted even longer than that, for almost 1,300 years. It’s just an analogy, anyway. We are our own creators of our own destiny.


28 posted on 08/04/2007 11:13:07 AM PDT by redpoll (redpoll)
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To: Admin Moderator
“The cancerous growth of the American Empire.”

Now I see why so many "Republicans" support this guy. (?!)

They must be the only "Republicans" with their car radios permanently set to Air America.

29 posted on 08/04/2007 1:34:57 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Ron Paul--The candidate from Truthy!)
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To: Lurker

Nothing. In fact, some of us like him before his “We brought 9/11 on ourselves” idiocy.


30 posted on 08/04/2007 1:43:46 PM PDT by darkangel82 (Socialism is NOT an American value.)
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To: Lurker; MNJohnnie
What is it about Congressman Paul that has all you Big Government Welfare State RINOs so worried?

I wouldn't know, I'm not a Big Government Welfare State RINO.

What I AM is a loyal American. What has me worried is Paul is able to act as a cover for all you Retreatists For Al Qaeda And The Libs, who want to give both those gangs a big win under the guise of "conservative principles."

Ronald Reagan didn't retreat during the Cold War--he fought. How running away makes Paulists "in the tradition of Reagan" I dunno.

31 posted on 08/04/2007 2:01:16 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Ron Paul--The candidate from Truthy!)
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To: Lurker
Ron Paul is the biggest RINO of all the Republican presidential contenders.
32 posted on 08/04/2007 2:11:20 PM PDT by End Times Crusader
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To: End Times Crusader
Ron Paul is the biggest RINO of all the Republican presidential contenders.

Jeez Louise...is the GOP not made up of pro-gun, pro-U.S. sovereignty, pro-life voters? Who do you think support the GOP? Liberals?

33 posted on 08/04/2007 3:25:09 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Admin Moderator
Promoted from RLC to editorial, so all can see “The cancerous growth of the American Empire.”

I did in fact post it originally as "Editorial". Some moderator stuck it in RLC, not me.

The writer is a former associate of Goldwater and Buckley from the Fifties and Sixties and ran the American Conservative Union.
34 posted on 08/04/2007 4:02:16 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa, wets himself over YouTube)
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To: George W. Bush
I did in fact post it originally as "Editorial". Some moderator stuck it in RLC, not me.

Are you some kind of idiot? Jim supervises all of our actions. Maybe you should be more cautious about what you post on Free Republic.

35 posted on 08/04/2007 4:40:42 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Admin Moderator
Are you the same Admin that wrote me earlier about this?

Did you want it in RLC or in Editorial?
36 posted on 08/04/2007 4:53:56 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa, wets himself over YouTube)
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To: Admin Moderator
Never mind. If you want to yank, yank it. Or put it in RLC, Editorial, whatever. I thought I was getting a complaint from Admin around noon for not putting it in Editorial to begin with.
37 posted on 08/04/2007 5:06:46 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa, wets himself over YouTube)
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To: George W. Bush
I thought I was getting a complaint from Admin around noon for not putting it in Editorial to begin with.

No complaint on that score. RLC -- the place I found it -- is fine with me for Ron Paul items, but Bauman's

cancerous growth of the American Empire

made my jaw drop, and I promoted it to editorial (and from there, to front page) for maximum visibility.

38 posted on 08/04/2007 5:50:43 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Admin Moderator
Oh, okay. Do you want to put Baumann or the somewhat obscure Sovereign Society on a banned list?

Sovereign Society, from what I can grasp, is overseas investors. They want to invest overseas, bank overseas, bring whatever portions of the wealth they choose back to the U.S. with the fewest taxes possible. They are, of course, no friends of big-government. They are a small investor group that want to repatriate profits tax-free, something normally reserved for big corporations like mining or oil companies or institutional investors.

There was and still is a strain of this thinking on the Right. People like Goldwater and Buckley knew a lot of them back in their heyday.

Admittedly, it's obscure. A lot of people don't grasp just how conservative the American Conservative Union once was. This reminds me of a story Robert Novak told recently about Ford-era Republicans badmouthing the excesses of Joe McCarthy. Novak said it didn't help them much because a lot of Republicans liked Joe McCarthy. Then he just laughed. Well, it was a Prince of Darkness moment. Maybe you had to be there.

At any rate, they're probably subversive if you think that money you've earned cannot be invested overseas and brought back to the U.S. as you please. I think some people in the modern era believe that we aren't allowed to do anything with money until we check first if someone might want to tax it. But the Constitution doesn't really allow for taxing investments around the world though they certainly try to (this would be the "cancerous growth of the American Empire" part). BTW, you did notice that Halliburton moved overseas recently? They're not the only ones either.

I'm not sure why it's fine for big corporations to do these things and not ordinary citizens. Since when did a corporation, an imaginary person, have more rights than actual American citizens?

LOL. I suppose questions like that are why Ron Paul supporters are considered subversive.

What interests me in these little stories about the overseas investors or the charter aircraft people or the online gamblers or the farmers who want to grow industrial hemp or the dozens of other little single-issue voters that are attracted to Ron Paul is the sheer diversity of them, that no one in either party currently represents them. I couldn't possibly name them all. It's an amazing list.

There is a considerable group of potential Republican voters out there that could be tapped into if our party would only take an interest in them and their issue.

Anyway, a thread that requires that much explanation probably deserves obscurity.
39 posted on 08/04/2007 6:20:56 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa, wets himself over YouTube)
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To: End Times Crusader
Can America survive without a Ron Paul presidency? ThankfullyUnfortunately, we’ll never have to find out.

There, all fixed.

40 posted on 08/04/2007 6:33:59 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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