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To: ejonesie22
Here is one example of a post from 1999:

What’s the difference between George W. Bush and Clinton?

The New Australian
No. 123, 14-20 June 1999 Jim Hill

Once again, the Republican Party is demonstrating how little it understands the leadership vacuum that is plaguing our nation. This time, the craze is over drafting George W. Bush for president in 2000. What began as an effort by the country club, power wing of the Party has now grown to include some factions of issue-oriented conservatives, who have also fallen prey.

The hunger to win the White House in 2000 is so great that many Republicans will accept anyone, just as long as he or she is a “Republican.” Like the sports mentality that has permeated our entire culture, winning in politics has become little more than a temporary gratification with no lasting significance. This drop in standards can be attributed to several things, one of which is the lack of core values among many of the most ardent Party loyalists. Even some of the evangelical Christians of the so-called Religious Right, people who supposedly have a higher commitment to principle than political expediency, have indicated a willingness to follow.

Why am I against joining with other Party members and backing the Bush campaign to capture the White House in 2000? In one simple sentence, George W. Bush, better than any other individual, is an ideal reflection of the Republican Party as it is today. And that is why he should not be taken seriously by anyone committed to principle.

Republicans today, resembling their Democrat opponents, are driven more by the fickle whims of society than by core ideologies. The Republican leadership has not taken a serious stand on any issue since the 1995 budget battle where, ultimately, one concession after another was surrendered to the demands of President Clinton. There was a time when smaller, limited government was the uniting theme in the Republican Party. By their actions in recent years, however, the Republicans have even lost their claim to this principle.

Today, after five years of Republican control of Congress, government has steadily grown larger and become more intrusive. Not a single federal department has been eliminated, downsized, or even had its budget reduced in the slightest, in spite of many campaign promises to the contrary. And Americans suffer even more encroachments upon their liberties as the GOP-led Congress continues to pump steroids into the federal monster with bigger budgets and more federal programs. Today, there is not a single issue on which Republicans can legitimately claim either unity or victory. It should come as no surprise that such a wandering generality has rallied around George W. Bush as the ideal man to be their leader.

One need only examine Bush through his own words to arrive at such a conclusion. Project Vote Smart polls candidates at all levels of government, nationwide, and publishes responses to their comprehensive questionnaire on their web site at www.vote-smart.org. Bush’s 1998 gubernatorial survey reveals a man very much in love with big government and in search of a consistent set of values. (What American president does this sound like?)

In addition to his politically correct responses on abortion, affirmative action, gun control, and state funded health care, Bush reveals his true identity when it comes to education. He states, “My number one priority is improving public education.” Yet, when you run down the list, it’s obvious he believes that only government can perform such a feat. He advocates an increase in state funds for teachers and school construction, state-mandated standards (buzz phrase for state-mandated controls), and bilingual education. Nowhere on this survey does he suggest government loosening its stranglehold on this vital industry and allowing the only proven solution, the free market, to reign.

Still, some conservatives are falling all over themselves to line up in support of this man, much like they did in 1996 with the equally bland candidate, Bob Dole. Is this what has become of freedom? Is this our modern day version of “eternal vigilance?” Suppose a giant dragon was threatening our lives and we desperately wanted to arm a knight to go out and slay the dragon. Would we even consider someone who advocates stealing food from our very own tables to keep the dragon alive? Would we be this desperate to “win”? Unfortunately, our situation is not a fairy tale. The dragon is real. Even worse, so is this year’s anointed knight.

Nevertheless, the question always comes back to me: “Yeah, but had you rather have him, or Al Gore?” The assumption is that it’s better to make a little progress under Bush than none at all under Gore. It’s a good question. And it’s a fair question. But it’s an incorrect assumption and ignores the much deeper issue.

We’re all familiar with the phenomenon of boiling a frog in water. Put a frog in cold water and heat it up slowly; the frog will hold still and allow himself to be boiled to death. Heat the water up rapidly and the frog will sense the difference and jump out. This is what happened in 1994. We “jumped out.” The Contract with America, while not the most ideal legislation, was still a successful campaign, due in large part to resistance to the Clinton administration’s sudden, big government policies.

However, since 1995, the water has been heating up slowly. We have tolerated a steady onslaught of big government programs, often at the hands of the Republicans, who we thought were our allies, and few seem to be aware of the bubbles that are breaking the surface all around us.

As long as we continue this distorted logic of “he’s not as bad as the other guy,” we’ll forever maintain the climate that we have now, where liberals and moderates think they have a fighting chance of obtaining the GOP nomination. So far, history proves that they do. This not only applies in the presidential race but all the way down the ticket. The question is not Al Gore or George W. Bush; the question is whether or not we want to continue this trend.

If all we want is a President in the White House with an “R” beside his name, the polls are telling us that any “R” will do, take your pick. If this is our goal, we can be certain that the water temperature will continue to rise taking us closer to that boiling point. If we want someone who stands for something and has a solid belief system, then the choices are fewer. If we want someone who will help us slay the dragon and bring us closer to the Constitutional government for which our Founders fought, then the answer may not be found in the 2000 election. And it may not be found in either of the two monopoly parties.

Posted on 06/13/1999 20:35:29 PDT by vitolins

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And despite the divide at the time between those who favored other candidates the posted exchanges were civil and less weighted with hype...We seemed to know that we didn,t each have a crystal ball to see the future and that the candidate we might trash at some point in the race might very well be the one we would have to support in order to defeat the democrat machine.

The real venom was saved for Clinton and the liberal democratic party. We at least made an effort(not always successfully) not to eat our own.

206 posted on 07/21/2007 3:18:59 AM PDT by KDD (Ron Paul for President)
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To: KDD
a bump for a vintage post by vitolins. Too bad that vitolins is...no longer with us.

I wish we still had so many of the old conservative posters here from the pre-Bush era. So many were banned or resigned over the excesses of the Bush era. I believe this is why we have so few actual FReeping events any more.

I'm not sure that even a Hitlery appearance in a major city to advocate pure Marxism to the Dim hordes could summon a FReep. Well, except for that great D.C. chapter who are about as tough as ever. We just don't have those kind of hardcore FReepers any more. We have become more like a partisan chatroom than an activist forum.
209 posted on 07/21/2007 3:57:22 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa)
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To: KDD
What’s the difference between George W. Bush and Clinton?

George W. Bush, better than any other individual, is an ideal reflection of the Republican Party as it is today.

Thanks for reminding us........

Maybe it's just me, but there are some parallels between bush in '99 and thompson today...........

217 posted on 07/21/2007 4:28:51 AM PDT by WhiteGuy (GOP Congress - 16,000 earmarks costing US $50 billion in 2006 - PAUL2008)
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To: KDD

One of the best articles I have ever seen. You should cross post it as a thread starter.

There is a sizeable group of people here on FR who fit this to a T.

It is, again, an amazingly prescient article. I am ashamed to admit that many of the attitudes therein were mirrored in myself when I marched to the polls in 2004.

No more.


223 posted on 07/21/2007 5:00:15 AM PDT by DreamsofPolycarp (Americans used to roar like lions for liberty. Now they bleat like sheep for security)
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To: KDD

A great post.


243 posted on 07/21/2007 6:38:55 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: KDD
KDD,
That s a worthy post from the past. I would say vitolins was prophetic.

Here we are, 8 years later, and one of the Repub front-runners is pro abortion, pro homosexual, anti gun, and pro taxes and for increased government and control. Once again, we are being told, we need somebody like that to avoid Hitlery and need to support a “winner.”

I’ve watched ball games wherein the only reason I had to root for one side was the color of their uniforms. That seems to be what I see on FR lately.

Like I said earlier on this thread, I haven’t been here, posting or even lurking for 2-3 years, and I find it incomprehensible to discover a man who not only claims, but has demonstrated by a voting record for neigh on 30 years, that he wants to follow the Constitution is called anti-American. I guess I have to ask, just what does “American” mean to folks here?

I asked earlier, just what is it about Ron Paul that scares folks on this forum? Is it scary to live without nanny state? Is freedom something to fear? Is governance of laws rather than the whim of political prostitutes something to be shunned? I’m waiting for some answers.

Calling names is great fun, but it doesn’t get us anywhere. It is always instructive to realize that when anyone tosses an argument aside, because the other guy is a nut of kook, it means there is no argument. It is saying disputation is no necessary part of a debate; merely assume your opponent is wrong and go on to explain why he made such a serious mental error. That may work for liberals, but not for anyone who thinks. -Glenn

251 posted on 07/21/2007 7:20:02 AM PDT by GlennD
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