I love it when those who cry the most about a lack of "substance" appear to be hard-pressed to produce any of their own. ;-)
Keep up the great work!
Posted on 07/16/2007 8:31:51 PM PDT by JTN
Well, let me know what you think of my post #118.
Seriously, I went back and re read what I posted and I’m not sure where you get the tough and arrogant thing from. It seems to me that in our short discourse you have already insulted me and acted tough and arrogant with the come over hear and say that to me comment.
I would say that to your face if we were having this discussion in person, I doubt your response would be what it was as you would have been able to read my body language, gauge the tone of my voice and realize there was nothing threatening about it.
I think I know where you are coming from now - anyone who thinks RP has a bit of a point is such and such. When I was a kid I used to hear stuff like that about black people too. It’s called prejudice, and may I say it doesn’t sit to well on your head.
Oh, I think it's great and I couldn't agree more. But there are some here who seem to be deluded by the notion that if Ron Paul were president {snicker!}, all of the terrorism would just magically go away.
Paul has had some good ideas in the past, but some of his recent statements have me quetioning his ability to rationalize properly. And his foreign policy ideas are so far out in left field, they're just about incomprehensible in today's world.
This is your issue, not mine, if you really believe that the implied message from RP is not that we deserved this, all I can suggest to you is to not be so Clintonian or Pharisee-like in your definitions.
RP has stated that the USA has committed a long list of aggressions, beginning with the Shah/Iran in 1953, thru Vietnam, Beirut, Iraq Desert Storm and Iraq 2002. He has clearly stated that because of these actions, we have been attacked.
If putting those two statements together doesn't mean "we got what we deserved", then I don't know what does. He, and you, are merely parsing words.
In closing, I'm just thankful that the RP's of the political world have never been granted the power of CIC over the course of our history, and most certainly not at critical times like now. The USA has remained great AND safe because we have dealt with threats to our security, and, we have protected others. This approach has been the primary reason why.
Other countries that have focused on being 'friends to all' and trade partners, such as The Netherlands and Denmark and Belgium to name a few, have had their share of war and tyranny and domination on their homeland.
No thanks. Freedom is not free. Thank God for our military and the (mostly) great leadership they have received.
Yes, and demoncrats once had great ideas too. But, in the world in which we now find our selves those ideas have gone by the wayside and been replaced by lunacy.
I think I know where you are coming from now - anyone who thinks RP has a bit of a point is such and such. When I was a kid I used to hear stuff like that about black people too. It’s called prejudice, and may I say it doesn’t sit to well on your head.
Since you have already decided for yourself that I am all of these things, then there really isn't any point continuing this, is there?
You do realize you come off as talking down to people, do you not?
Anyway...ma sa'alama.
The two sad things are first that people are so focused on this issue that the many more important issues are getting ignored, like the Mexican invasion (more people killed by lillegal immigrants than terrorists), the out of control spending, the loss of personal freedom, etc. and the second is that RP isn't going to win. Even his staunchest supporters will admit it, but what he does is bring a viewpoint that isn't acknowledged by the media, the democrats or the republicans, namely a return to smaller constitutional and less intrusive government.
Hi SD, I appreciate the response! It’s actually something I think we started to discuss the other evening.
I concur completely! Al-Qaeda is most certainly NOT “based” out of any one country. And this isn’t really a war we can “win” outside of the following circumstances: 1) the jihadists follow through with their goals of spreading theocratic fascism across the globe; 2) moderate Islam takes over and they don’t want to spread theocratic fascism across the globe. Did I leave anything out?
That leave us with, “well, now what?” Are we going to go to war, preemptively and Constitutionally undeclared, with every country that wants to spread global theocratic fascism? Or are we going to respond with swift, just force against those rouge groups who would commit horrible, criminal acts against us?
Also, can you please not ping me to posts with Allegra? Thank you and regards,
let me correct (in bold)
And this isn’t really a war that will "end" outside of the following circumstances: 1) the jihadists follow through with their goals of spreading theocratic fascism across the globe; 2) moderate Islam takes over and they don’t want to spread theocratic fascism across the globe. Did I leave anything out?
Sorry sir, but I don't think this is an appropriate analogy. We have not accidentally or unintentionally 'bumped into' Japan, Germany, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, etc. We have purposefully executed on a strategy that intends to defend the best interest of our nation and our allies. Thus, if there are consequences to our actions, we 'deserve' them, good or bad.
Unlike RP, I believe our consequences have been mostly good.
I will admit that RP has some good ideas about the limited size and scope of the federal government, particularly around domestic issues. I agree with many of those positions. My question to RP supporters is, 'why has he been so ineffective in Washington?' Or, has he been effective?
Beyond that, I'm not on this thread to discuss illegal immigration etc, that's changing the subject for the moment. I am here to defend our country against unwarranted and ill-informed isolationism and those who would support that.
Then we will just have to disagree
Sure. Let's just turn this war over to the cops. This is, after all, just a criminal enterprise perpetrated by these Al Qaeda criminals. Apprehension, Grand Jury indictments, criminal trials, and adjudication are all that is needed to take care of the problem. Oh, we can also just sit down with the hierarchy of the Al Qaeda criminals and hammer out a cease fire agreement and peace accords too! After all, as Rosie O'Donut stated, the Islamo-facists are just like us. I am witness to more delusional inanity coming from someone who thinks the U.S. can just sit back and not get involved in this war. The type of thinking that goes into believing that "moderate" Islam will rise up and put down these facists is less than amusing. It's extremely dangerous thinking. The type of thinking that was prevalent prior to Pearl Harbor (which we've already experienced in this war).
Oh, and I've been told that when I post to someone comments that are about someone else, it is impolite to not include that person in my ping. Thus, if I post something to anyone in which I'm commenting about you, rest assured you will be pinged as well (as that is only being polite). I'm including Allegra into my pings because much has been commented on which involves her (plus the fact that she has boots on the ground and knows much more about what is going on in Iraq than either you or I).
I said their actions were criminal, not that we should prosecute them in our criminal justice system.
I am trying to have a discussion with you. Do you want to offer anything of substance or are you not interested?
Yes, let's discuss how well those santions worked, shall we? How much money came into Iraq during those 10 years (12 actually) of so called sanctions. Where did all that money come from in the Oil-For-Food scandal? Let's see, France, Germany, Russia, China? How much money was Saddam spending to provide himself and his followers with creature comforts while the average Iraqi lived in squaller? How much money did he spend on acquiring weapons? Did you not pay any attention to media reports of weapon caches found after the invasion with French markings? Russian Markings? German Markings? Chinese Markings? Yeah, sanctions worked real well during 12 years in which Saddam thumbed his nose at the rest of the world and while the United Nations were complicit in the scandals which allowed billions to be poured into Iraq.
While you keep prattling away with your fluff, I’ve been trying to provide you with substance. Your ignoring of the substance of my posts does not detract from it. I find it interesting that you bring up the “criminal” nature of their actions and then argue that you are not bringing up the “criminal” nature of their actions (when one discusses an action as being criminal then the insinuation is that the “criminal” action should be addressed in like manner - i.e., Law Enforcement).
That's obvious, but respectfully, so is the difference between the substance presented of my positions versus yours.
My other objective is to help prevent a third party run by RP that could help elect HRC. Defeating her is something that everyone here should be in unanimous agreement about.
Thanks for the civil exchange.
I love it when those who cry the most about a lack of "substance" appear to be hard-pressed to produce any of their own. ;-)
Keep up the great work!
ROFLOL. You’re too funny. Enjoy the popcorn!
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