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Ron Paul [R-TX] Stands out from the Crowd
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Posted on 06/06/2007 3:51:56 AM PDT by animusliberti

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To: animusliberti
Ron Paul/Adam Ghadan in 2008
Paul/Achmadinijad in 2008 -- stop the American and Zionist aggression!

New far right/ lib commie left anti war poster :-l

21 posted on 06/06/2007 4:24:44 AM PDT by Stepan12 ( "We are all girlymen now." Conservative reaction to Ann Coulter's anti PC joke)
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To: Always Right
Germany never harmed us.

You ought to read this:

http://www.ww2pacific.com/bellacts.html
22 posted on 06/06/2007 4:31:12 AM PDT by gas0linealley
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To: mathluv
I have a problem with someone who wants us nuked before we nuke someone else.

A statement that could be made by any of a number of homicidal maniacs.
23 posted on 06/06/2007 4:36:03 AM PDT by gas0linealley
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia
Isolationism is the dirty word of Interventionism designed to be an "argument ender" by being an obstacle to clear thinking.

Contrary to the impression left by the term, America has and never will be a hermit Republic. It's the scorn word of Interventionism, hurled at those whom question their policies.

The more accurate word is Unilaterism. Unilaterism never means that the Unites States should, or for that matter could, sequester itself or pursue an ostrich-like policy toward all foreign countries. The message of George Washington's Farewell Address was to avoid permanent and entangling alliances to remain neutral in the World's Wars except when our Liberty was at risk.

These words do not isolate America from the world, they keep us Independent of the World. Washington admonished his contemporaries for trying to drag America into the Wars of the World. Interventionist policies are a great threat to Liberty, and America is about nothing if not the Preservation of Liberty.

Lastly, the term Isolationism suggests that, until modern preemptive policies have taken hold, America was void of Foreign Policy. This is a gross characterisation of the most successful Foreign Policy which America (while in the cross-hairs of Empires) grew from Thirteen Agrarian States on the Atlantic into a continent-wide nation that dominated the Hemisphere.

Luckily, at least one man on that stage knows this : )

Go Ron Go !!!

Go Ron Go !!!

Go Ron Go !!!

24 posted on 06/06/2007 4:36:06 AM PDT by animusliberti
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To: animusliberti

The poor man and his supporters do not even realize most of the civilized world think he is insane.


25 posted on 06/06/2007 4:36:57 AM PDT by elizabetty (Perpetual Candidate using campaign donations for your salary - Its a good gig if you can get it.)
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To: animusliberti

He came off whiny and hysterical.


26 posted on 06/06/2007 4:38:09 AM PDT by corlorde (New Hampshire)
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To: animusliberti

Tell him there is an opening on the view and to stop making a fool of himself at these debates


27 posted on 06/06/2007 4:39:05 AM PDT by italianquaker ("blue dog democrats", that dog don't hunt)
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To: All

I honestly don’t know how anyone who calls themselve conservative could even think about supporting anyone but the good Dr. Paul. Especially after last night. The republican party is finished and I could care less. Let them have their nation builders and pro national ID creeps. I honestly can’t believe how far this party has strayed from from doing what is right and sane.


28 posted on 06/06/2007 4:43:08 AM PDT by Jeremydmccann
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To: Dionysius
He stands out from the crowd like a toilet seat in a rose garden.

Interesting comparison. Were you inspired by recent events?
29 posted on 06/06/2007 4:43:55 AM PDT by gas0linealley
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To: animusliberti
Do you honestly think that "preemptive war" is the biggest moral problem we are facing in our country? Ron Paul does. Not that IRAQ was preemptive...nor could you make the case that they "never harmed us". In fact isn't it disingenuous to preemptively accuse others of preemptive war?

Does Ron Paul really think It is cowardly, dishonorable, illegal, or immoral to take action before you are harmed? That simply doesn't make sense.

The biggest moral problem we face as a nation is the utter lack of people accepting personal responsibility for anything they do wrong and expecting society to "help" them when their lack of responsibility catches up with them. That includes stupid answers to inane questions during a debate.

Ron Paul used to be one of my heroes. His knowledge and obedience to the constitution hasn't been seen in government in a long time. On this subject though he is so whacked out that I can no longer support him for anything.
30 posted on 06/06/2007 4:44:11 AM PDT by Durus ("Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." JFK)
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To: gas0linealley
What are your qualifications, or their’s, to so judge?

His vote.

31 posted on 06/06/2007 4:44:36 AM PDT by SIDENET (Milky Way: Galaxy of the Year 2007.)
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To: elizabetty
The poor man and his supporters do not even realize most of the civilized world think he is insane.

Talking about Jesus?
32 posted on 06/06/2007 4:48:00 AM PDT by gas0linealley
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To: Ditter
According to Ron Paul's logic, the Fort Dix and JFK terror plots should have been allowed to be carried out before we took action against those who were involved. Let's look at this Christian Just War theory that he spoke of last night. According to Wikipedia, this theory argues that the following conditions must be met to justify a war (my notes in italics):

Just Cause: The reason for going to war needs to be just and can therefore be recapturing things taken or punishing people who have done wrong (A contemporary view of just cause was expressed in 1993 when the US Catholic Conference said: "Force may be used only to correct a grave, public evil, i.e., aggression or massive violation of the basic human rights of whole populations"). Surely Saddam fell into the "aggression or massive violation" category. Does Iran? I'm sure there are human rights abuses constantly, but those don't justify nuclear war. However, Iran's continued rhetoric about destruction of Israel along with their clear intention to build a nuclear weapons program can easily be viewed as aggression on the part of the Iranian nation.

Comparative Justice: While there may be rights and wrongs on all sides of a conflict, to override the presumption against the use of force, the injustice suffered by one party must significantly outweigh that suffered by the other; When you're talking about a nation that is seeking to annihilate Israel with nuclear weapons, it would seem justifiable to me to use tactical nuclear weapons to eliminate Iran's ability to destroy Israel. In other words - the injustice that could be suffered by Israel (complete destruction) far outweighs what Iran would suffer (destruction of nuclear weapons facilities). Interestingly, many Just War theorists omit this point because they acknowledge that "bellicose nations" can exploit this point.

Legitimate Authority: Only duly constituted public authorities may use deadly force or wage war; Unless one thiks that the United Nations is a legitimate world authority, then the President of the United States and the Congress are the proper people to be making this decision, as the "duly constituted" leaders of this nation.

Right Intention: Force may be used only in a truly just cause and solely for that purpose—correcting a suffered wrong is considered a right intention, while material gain or maintaining economies is not. Is the protection of Israel and the elimination of the threat of a rogue nation handing nuclear weapons to the terrorists it sponsors a "just cause"? I think it is.

Probability of Success: Arms may not be used in a futile cause or in a case where disproportionate measures are required to achieve success; This is a no-brainer. We'd clearly be able to achieve our mission - to eliminate the Iranian nuclear threat.

Last Resort: Force may be used only after all peaceful and viable alternatives have been seriously tried and exhausted. Tell that to the Japs before they bombed Pearl Harbor. Tell it to Germany before the tanks rolled into France. Tell it to Osama before his planes hit the World Trade Center. Diplomacy is a good thing, but when a threat is building, leaders must know when to stop talking and take action. There is no clear point in time in most situations when it is obvious that all peaceful alternatives have been exhausted. Saddam could have kept up his games with us and the UN for 20 years if he'd been allowed to. Iran could do the same, all the while building a deadly arsenal of nuclear weapons that they would be able to unleash on Israel. The role of our leader is to know when the diplomacy is no longer productive - not to just keep talking for the sake of talking.

I believe that this theory does not disallow a pre-emptive war, when that pre-emptive act is undertaken to stop a great evil from occurring. If we launched nuclear weapons with the intention of completely destroying Iran, that would be wrong, but if we targeted their nuclear facilities with the goal of eliminating their ability to make nuclear weapons, then we'd be justified because of the great harm that would occur if they were allowed to obtain these weapons.

33 posted on 06/06/2007 4:51:20 AM PDT by RightFighter
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To: animusliberti

“how he alone declared the immorality of discussing PreEmptive Nuclear Attacks upon a Nation that has not harmed us, namely Iran.”

Those roadside IEDs never hurt no one. (sarc)


34 posted on 06/06/2007 4:53:30 AM PDT by wolfcreek (AMNESTY: See what BROWN can do for you..)
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To: Durus
Ron Paul used to be one of my heroes. His knowledge and obedience to the constitution hasn't been seen in government in a long time. On this subject though he is so whacked out that I can no longer support him for anything.

Have recent events bolstered your confidence in our President and Congress sufficiently that you trust them to determine which nations we should attack preemptively?
35 posted on 06/06/2007 4:54:42 AM PDT by gas0linealley
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To: animusliberti

Thanks for posting this.


36 posted on 06/06/2007 4:57:38 AM PDT by The_Eaglet
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To: animusliberti

Ron Paul did no such thing. Ron Paul was pathetic.


37 posted on 06/06/2007 5:00:08 AM PDT by Paige ("Facts are stubborn things. " President Ronald Reagan)
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To: traderrob6
Like a sore thumb.

Like a turd in a punchbowl.

38 posted on 06/06/2007 5:01:04 AM PDT by xjcsa (In memoriam...Jerry Falwell, August 11, 1933 - May 15, 2007. Enter into your eternal inheritance.)
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To: animusliberti

Listening to that guy talk made my brain hurt. What a wacko.


39 posted on 06/06/2007 5:01:12 AM PDT by NurdlyPeon (Thompson / Hunter in 2008)
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To: RightFighter
I believe that this theory does not disallow a pre-emptive war, when that pre-emptive act is undertaken to stop a great evil from occurring. If we launched nuclear weapons with the intention of completely destroying Iran, that would be wrong, but if we targeted their nuclear facilities with the goal of eliminating their ability to make nuclear weapons, then we'd be justified because of the great harm that would occur if they were allowed to obtain these weapons.

A nuclear attack against Iran will undoubtedly kill many innocent people. Would you care to put a number on how many innocent casualties you would be willing to accept to prevent other innocent people possibly coming to harm as a result of failure to act?
40 posted on 06/06/2007 5:03:27 AM PDT by gas0linealley
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