The new Cardinals: orientation and a brief bio on each

National Catholic Reporter ^ | 10/03/2003 | John L. Allen

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What ever happened to Cardinal Sin, from the Philippines?

Wasn't he once in the running?

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Which would be relevant if I had posted anything about those two variables. I never did. Now, you have slandered me in print online for everyone to see. WHAT A FOOL!

It's simply a fact of history, Sink, that secret societies and weird cults are involved in high politics and in manipulating the Church. There were members of anti-Catholic secret socities on the faculty of my Jesuit university. I know this for a fact, personally, directly. Popes have written documents warning about the perils of such secret cults. If, once again, you wish to go against the Popes of the Catholic Church, I feel fine to relax and let you disrobe yourself in public once again.

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Do we understand your position to be that NO COMMUNISTS and NO members of ANTI-CATHOLIC secret societies have ever tried to infiltrate the Catholic Church or manipulate power politics with big money? Ever hear of the P-2 scandal in Italy, by any chance? American newspapers don't like much focus on secret society conspiracies, but educated people in Europe and England are familiar with such factual episodes. I recommend reading widely in non-American sources.

[Thorondir]

Leo XIII saw all this coming and told the world about it, my friend. But they held a major council right in the middle of satan's century anyway. Now, just who would want to do this, but destroyers who had infiltrated the Church?

Some of them spew their anti-Catholic venom right here on the FR, cleverly disguising it as "progressive" love for the Church they are intentionally destroying.

But, then, there are those of us who can see right through them.

Peace be to you.

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Cardinal Sin retired, but cardinal sin continues (groan--sorry :-)

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Posted by Thorondir to HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity On Religion 10/05/2003 1:20 AM PDT #84 of 85 Leo XIII saw all this coming and told the world about it, my friend. But they held a major council right in the middle of satan's century anyway. Now, just who would want to do this, but destroyers who had infiltrated the Church? Some of them spew their anti-Catholic venom right here on the FR, cleverly disguising it as "progressive" love for the Church they are intentionally destroying. But, then, there are those of us who can see right through them. Peace be to you.

Yeah. Amazing that the popes travelled in a time machine to the 1950s to read JBS pamphlets to figure this out, isn't it? [IRONY] The American media deliberately sheepdips anything that lets the poop out on what is going on. They created the "lone nut" and conspiracy crank stereotype imagery in order to deflect scrutiny of the truly satanic nature of these cabals and their anti-Christian population control agenda for tyranny.

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John XXIII was a John Bircher?

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John XXIII was a John Bircher?

Was John XXIII a conspiracy theorist? I don't recall that he was.

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When the secret society memberships of some of these sodomite rapist clerics becomes better known and exposed, will you still persist in denying the grave warnings of numerous popes on the subject of anti-Catholic conspiracies?

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I don't know that he was a conspiracy theorist, but he definitely strongly against communism. Remember, it was Pope John XXIII who said that even a little socialism was completely incompatible with Christianity. I guess to a lot of people that does make him a John Bircher.

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When the secret society memberships of some of these sodomite rapist clerics becomes better known and exposed, will you still persist in denying the grave warnings of numerous popes on the subject of anti-Catholic conspiracies?

Make sure you ping me when these are known, OK?

I'm sure there'll be Masons, and Skull-and-Bones, and maybe a couple of them will have belonged to the Mickey Mouse Club.

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Remember, it was Pope John XXIII who said that even a little socialism was completely incompatible with Christianity.

Would that more bishops believed that today.

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Anyone who doubts that the KGB played around with Catholic organizations or secret societies should check into the case of the notorious FBI mole Robert Hanssen who was instructed by his KGB Commie slavemaster handlers to join Opus Dei and read National Review so he would look like a devout conservative anti-Communist. The involvement of the KGB in other secret societies came to light during the investigations of moles in British intelligence. During the 1980s, if one had been a literate adult reading the investigations of Peter Wright and Chapman Pincher (or British newspapers) and related materials, these details came into the public domain and record. It is now well-known in the annals of intelligence that homosexual Marxists were recruited by the KGB via and in secret societies at England's prestigious Cambridge University. Oddly enough, one of the more prominent "theorists" of anti-Catholic conspiracies was the Cambridge priest Robert Hugh Benson, son of a prominent Anglican cleric, as I recall. These facts did not originate from the boardrooms or chapter meetings of the John Birch Society or any other crackpot outfit designed to make conspiracy theories look silly and intemperate or as the ravings of umbalanced sub-educated lone nuts or kooks. And for that matter, neither did any of the numerous papal warnings on the subject. If the John Birch Society controlled all theorizing on the subject they apparently recruited George Orwell, Aldous Huxley, Ian Fleming, Winston Churchill, Edmund Burke, Pedro Arrupe, and at least 11 pontiffs as well as several scholars of KGB espionage during the Cold War. That's quite an achievement.

available on the internet and in the public record for all to see, the KGB undressed:

Robert P. Hanssen, the Russian mole in FBI counterintelligence, reportedly told an Opus Dei priest in 1980 that he had begun his paid work for the KGB in Washington DC in 1979-1980. The KGB officer at the Soviet Embassy in Washington then in charge of vetting Americans who offered their services was Vitaly Yurchenko. As such, Yurchenko would have had to sign off on the cash payments to Hanssen (payments which the Opus Dei priest suggested should be donated to charity.)

Yurchenko also had two later liaisons with the Hanssen case. After Yurchenko returned to Moscow in 1981, he became deputy chief of the KGB department that had the responsibility for coordinating all KGB moles in the FBI, CIA, NSA and other United States intelligence services. He thus would be continually monitoring Hanssen's paid contributions to the work of the KGB. Then, on August 1, 1985, Yurchenko defected to the United States and offered to expose a high-level KGB mole called "Robert" in a US intelligence service. Robert Hanssen was part of the FBI counterintelligence team that was then guided by Yurchenko in its search for the elusive mole codenamed "Robert."

[nickcarraway]

Wait, are you saying that Hanssen was used to spy on Opus Dei or somerthing?

If Yurchenko revealed Hanssen as the mole, why wasn't he caught in 1985? Was he the one who defected, then later defected back? Was he working with Aldrich Ames?

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They already are, Sink. Tell me... is it the lure of the skanky topless prostitutes at the conventions or getting to ride around in those cute orange gocarts which has you so soft on facing up?

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Tell me... is it the lure of the skanky topless prostitutes at the conventions or getting to ride around in those cute orange gocarts which has you so soft on facing up?

Good. Now you're where I am on this nonsense, the ridiculous stage.

I yank your chain, you yank mine.

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Opus Dei was his "cover." It's called a legend in tri-letter espionage speak. To make him look conservative. Most likely there were other KGB moles sent in and they could use the already existing semi-secretive structure of Opus Dei for meeting, socializing, and advancement. When I was involved in Catholic higher education professionally there were definite advantages to being connected with Opus Dei networks. Socially, professionally, and financially.

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If you have not already been hoodwinked and under their control, you need to read a lot more and investigate such matters with greater spiritual maturity. This is common knowledge in educated elite circles in the Church. I feel sorry for you.

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I'll forward the links on the Hanssen/KGBmole/Yurchenko and Opus Dei safari. I suspect there's a double ironic twist. If caught, the mole helps bring scandal into an anti-Communist organization which is also Catholic. The KGB was not unaware of the prominent role of Catholics in the American conservative movement and in anti-Communist activities. There were numerous internal documents of the KGB outlining anti-Catholic strategies.

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If you have not already been hoodwinked and under their control, you need to read a lot more and investigate such matters with greater spiritual maturity. This is common knowledge in educated elite circles in the Church. I feel sorry for you.

With all due respect, keep your condescension in check. I'm not an "elite" in the Church, anyway, nor do I ever want to be.

If you're serious about all this, you're a bit nutty, IMO.

Have a good afternoon. Arguing with a Bircher has always made my head hurt.