Liturgy: Are Glass Chalices OK for Mass?

Zenit News Agency ^ | September 16, 2003

[NYer]

Why is the Confiteor consistantly omitted?

For the same reason they omitted the Prayer to St. Michael the Archangel.

[NYer]

just one more reason I prefer to drive 60 miles to Mass.

Ahhhhhh .... I would make the drive too, if your parish were near me.

Benediction

Altar Preparation

Our Lady of the Atonement

[NYer]

ever notice that orthodox Catholics are among the happiest and funniest people?

Huh??? By orthodox, are you referring to those who celebrate the Tridentine rite or those who attend catholic mass on a regular basis? Ultima Ratio does not impress me as someone who is happy, much less funny.

[sockmonkey]

** Ahhhhhh .... I would make the drive too, if your parish were near me. **

I really wish you'd come down to San Antonio, and visit our Parish in person some time-maybe you'd decide to relocate. The cost of living is bound to be cheaper than NY.

[Desdemona]

Please, don't ask why, but there is a liturgical catalog in this house (not mine). I was paging through it and saw all sorts of things that almost curled my hair. Mainly, protestant communion items right next to Sacred Vessels. Is it any wonder why people get confused if we can't even separate the two in retail.

[maryz]

that goes for the longer Eucharistic prayer which is hardly ever said.

Well, they had to cut something to make room for that stupid "prayer of the faithful" (not to be judgmental, but this a.m. one of ours was for "resources" for teachers). (Of course, we always prayed in the Canon for the living and the dead, so I'm not sure who they thought we were leaving out!)

[Desdemona]

Well, they had to cut something to make room for that stupid "prayer of the faithful"

I still say put a stopwatch on the homily, limit it to five minutes and there will plenty of time for everything else if an arbitrary time constraint is a deciding factor to what is done at Mass.

[Desdemona]

Now we have a 'new Puritan' movement in the Church, not coincidentally associated with the 'married priests/homosex is OK with me/let's jump and screech at worship' people.

Why do you think this is the case? How does purity and simplicity relate to the decadance of homosexuality and jumping and screeching at Mass? I mean, unless I'm mistaken, the puritans eliminated dancing and music due to it's sensual nature.

[saradippity]

Fr.Andrew Greeley,that paragon of Catholic orthodoxy,and who I read and enjoy pretty often,(blush)did say that one of the seven or eight recognized indicators of intelligence was a good sense of humor.It was a long time ago,but as I recall,he said that he considered that along with the ability to analogise,the two most telling indicators.

So it would stand to reason that on a board like this,with so many conservative,orthodox and traditional Catholics,one would find the brightest people and if Fr. Andrew is correct then we would also find some pretty funny,amusing,droll,witty,humorous posters.And we do!!!

So to answer your question:"Or am I being stupid and gerealizing?",NO,YOU ARE BEING BRILLIANT AND GENERALIZING.

[american colleen]

I mean "us" mainstream orthodox traditionally minded Catholics.

It was probably a stupid observation on my part.

[american colleen]

Oh thanks! I read NYer's post before I read your post.

NYer, never mind, I was being brilliant AND generalizing at the same time. ;-)

[Domestic Church]

" the Confiteor is now an "option" "

Is Confession next to go?!

[american colleen]

Oh oh. I usually take everything Fr. Greeley writes with a grain of salt!

Actually, despite myself, I do like him. I have an elderly 1st cousin, 3 times removed (took me 6 mos to figure the relationship out- he's my grandfather's 1st cousin) who lives in St. John's, Newfoundland. He is quite devoted to Fr. Greeley's novels (yes, I know!) and a couple of years ago he wrote Fr. Greeley a nice little note to tell him how much he enjoyed reading his books and also gave him some background on a particular subject Fr. Greeley had written about in the past (Ireland). And you know, Fr. Greeley hand wrote him a rather lengthy and kind reply. I was pretty impressed by that act of kindness.

[wideawake]

Is Confession next to go?!

If the practitioners of illicit general absolutions have their way, yes.

[Loyalist]

Is Confession next to go?!

Neo-Catholicism (which I do not use in the limited and erroneous sense the Remnant editors do) has effectively abolished the practice of private confession.

Whether general absolution will be the sole form of the sacrament in Neo-Catholicism, or confession itself disappears from Neo-Catholicism`s sacramental economy, has yet to be determined.

[wideawake]

I used "utraquist" accurately.

The Utraquist heresy was based on the superstitious notion that one could not receive the full Eucharist except under both species and that those who did not drink from the chalice were somehow cheated of the Lord's Blood.

There are many people today who insist upon communion in both kinds and consider the Mass to not have been a "real" Eucharist unless they have been able to drink from the chalice.

It is precisely this attitude that I am condemning.

[ninenot]

the puritans eliminated dancing and music due to it's sensual nature.

Dunno about dancing--but the music, art, statues, etc.--yes, because they are precisely sensual. THAT's what I mean by understanding the human as both body and soul. The Puritans simply repeated (was it the Gnostics?---I lost my 'heresy' book..) the error which in effect stated that people are really souls 'trapped' in fallen bodies. Denies the resurrection of the dead.

Asa to your main question, the answer lies in the Vatican's term for homosexuality: a GRAVE DISORDER.

While the homos are not ALL of it, the disorder is present--and it's defined as Whom we worship. In effect, they are worshipping the world, the flesh, and ol' you-know-who.

[ArrogantBustard]

I still say put a stopwatch on the homily, limit it to five minutes

If you had ever heard my pastor or priest-in-residence preach, you would not want that 5-minute limit imposed universally. Their sermons are passionate, orthodox, educational, inspiring, and could not be cut to 5 minutes.

I know. We're unusually blessed in this Parish. Many should be limited to five seconds. ;-}

[ArrogantBustard]

I suppose I should add that we also say the Confetior. I just wish they'd use the Roman Canon (#1) every day.

[saradippity]

Oh,that is so true and very sad.I was sure that the Church,at least in this country, would have put the St.Michael's Prayer back in after every Mass,after 9/11.

I also thought there would be a spate of articles ,remarking on,and analyzing why the majority of the "helping" professionals,who lost ther lives in9/11,were Catholic.Now it could be that they were buried with Catholic funerals but were not practicing,it could be that ,it was the natural outcome of nepotism,or,it could be that information that was initially reported,was not true.It's conceivable that there was an overreporting of the number of police and firemen killed,or that the number of Catholics was not as high as initially reported. While I,unlike many, do not believe that all that happens on earth is God's will,I do know He could prevent it,if He thought it necessary,I do think He expects us to use these trials to bring more of us back home to Himself.

As individuals I think many,many people did just that with their time,prayers,gifts etc.;as a Church,I think we did not use the gifts we really have to offer,wisely.Just my thoughts.