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Do The Faithful Realize The Problems With Optional Celibacy?
The Wanderer ^
| August 28 2003
| Fr. Joseph F. Wilson
Posted on 08/24/2003 12:42:59 PM PDT by sydney smith
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To: Onelifetogive
"...with Herbert Snitzlemeyer, our Bishop and John Paul, our Pope?" No. It's "John Paul, our Pope, Fabian, our bishop..."
People in Lincoln think they've got an aged singer for a bishop.
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posted on
08/24/2003 8:58:24 PM PDT
by
sinkspur
(God's law is written on men's hearts, not a stone monument.)
To: Onelifetogive
??? Most Christians in the US live with the "married pastor" model.
We're talking about priests, though.
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posted on
08/24/2003 9:03:51 PM PDT
by
possum
To: sydney smith
the "160" priests poll was statistically nonsense.
There are 400+ priests in Milwaukee.
But some of the "160" were 1) retired (so not in the 400 priests) or 2) "order" priests, some of whom didn't even work in Milwaukee. So the numbers are artificially inflated...
As for "optional", this too has a problem.
You see, traditionally priest and deacons cannot marry, period...
Married men CAN become deacons, and can become priests in the Eastern Catholic churches, but unmarried men who become priests and deacons cannot marry, and widowers cannot remarry if they are ordained.
This is also true for the Orthodox clergy.
Ironically, some of these "petitioners" are "order" priests, who have taken vows of chastity. They can bitch all they want to about the need to be married, but their vows of poverty/chastity/obedience means that marriage would mean breaking these voluntary solemn vows also...
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posted on
08/25/2003 5:01:48 AM PDT
by
LadyDoc
(AND)
To: LadyDoc
Add to this the practical difficult now faced by the Greek Church. Men who want to be priests are fnding it hard to find women who want to live such a life. Since the majority of priests are monks, this means that the majority of Greek priests are unmarried.
But this is all beside the point. I have heard too many priests who think that the Church ought to allow them to marry AND remain priests.
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posted on
08/25/2003 8:20:40 AM PDT
by
RobbyS
To: Loyalist
Maybe they should let people buy indulgences for optional celibacy for their pastor.
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posted on
08/25/2003 11:01:32 AM PDT
by
fishtank
To: As you well know...
I have no problem with differences, but when clergy start
"embracing" little boys, then it is time for a change!
To: As you well know...
Yea...that is why ORIGINALLY, the Ecumenical Councils, not a "Pope" decided things.....
See the Problem here? MAN'S inovation...NOT God's....
To: As you well know...
Wow....
It is nice to know he is after you Catholic Types...:)
Maybe he will leave the Orthodox alone...hehe! :) HUMOR
To: TexConfederate1861
I have no problem with differences, but when clergy start "embracing" little boys, then it is time for a change! The problem is homosexual sex not pedophilia and married priests will not solve that.
A return to celibacy will.
To: TexConfederate1861
I have no problem with differences, but when clergy start "embracing" little boys, then it is time for a change! The problem is homosexual sex not pedophilia and married priests will not solve that.
A return to celibacy will.
To: TexConfederate1861
I have no problem with differences, but when clergy start "embracing" little boys, then it is time for a change! The problem is homosexual sex not pedophilia and married priests will not solve that.
A return to celibacy will.
To: TexConfederate1861
None of the decisions taken by any Ecumenical Council are valid unless accepted/approved by the Pope.
To: TexConfederate1861
No decisions taken by any Ecumenical Council are valid unless accepted/approved by the Pope.
To: TexConfederate1861
Decisions taken by Ecumenical Councils are valid only in the Pope accepts/approves them
To: As you well know...
Gee, I wonder if I got my point across? Sorry, my 'puter said my posts were timed-out
To: fishtank
Give it a rest. Do you know that much of the indulgence money went to raise money to guard against the Turkish advance into Europe? The German princes who supported Luther were only too delighted to keep that money. They were, like the French king, willing to do a deal with the Sultan to save their places.
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posted on
08/25/2003 2:03:04 PM PDT
by
RobbyS
To: sydney smith
Father Joseph Wilson bump
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posted on
08/25/2003 5:09:18 PM PDT
by
Dajjal
To: As you well know...
Only since the Schism of 1054...
To: As you well know...
Is there some reason you seem to post the same item 3 times?
And celibacy IS the problem....Better to marry than to BURN....straight from St. Paul.
To: TexConfederate1861
See post #55
Jesus remains celibate and unmarried
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