Anti-Catholicism - A Homiletic Entitled "Insults and Persecution"

Simple Catholicism ^ | July 4, 2003

[dangus]

"Every country that springs from a majority Catholic culture is a socialist cesspool with deep class divisions and a history of dogma enforced as civil law;"

As opposed to the Sweden, Finland, Norway, Denmark, and Germany, the Lutheran ones?

Or Russia, Bulgaria, Romania, Greece, the Orthodox ones.

C'mon: Europe is socialist, whether Protestant or not. DOn't blame it on Catholicism. Latin America has deep class divisions, but is not socialist (mostly); whereas Europe is socialist but has smaller class divisions (outside classist, Protestant England.)

But I will proffer that having Catholics and Protestants in balance is healthy.

[Ex-Wretch]

Are you a devout Calvinist or a devout Arminian? Or maybe a devout Bible Believing Fundamentalist or maybe a devout Orthodox or a devout Catholic or a devout Presbyterian or devout Universalist or a devout Anglican or Lutheran... and I could go on and on.

Do you need a label for me? How about a brother in Christ? A believer in Jesus Christ as Lord, Saviour and Messiah? Same as the ones who were first called "Christians" at Antioch.

[dangus]

"As for the socialist countries, you may or may not be aware that they have been in rebellion against Catholic teaching for two hundred years."

Hehehe... One could say (strictly for amusement) that when non-Catholic European countries go bad, we are forced to intervene (Germany, Russia, Yugoslavia); when (formerly) Catholic countries go bad, they are a mere nuisance (France).

[Pyro7480]

Ok, where's the barf alert?

[dangus]

"The Holy Ghost is a quickening spirit to those who are alive in Christ. His sheep hear His voice and follow Him. They will not hearken to the voice of a stranger."

Yeah, but you must test spirits. Two opposing positions cannot both be true, yet Christians disagree on so very, very much. He tells his followers to be one, and not to have schism. But there must be a source of authority to settle disputes. This is why he tolf Peter, "You are Rock, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it."

Yes, I know Protestants say that Petros and Petra are different words. But they are flat out wrong. Jesus didn't say, "You are Petros, and on this Petra I will build my church." He said, "You are Cephas, and on this Cephas I will build my Chruch." THe 2nd Cephas was translated to the word the bible always uses for rock, Petra; while the first was translated into a suitable name for a male, Petros. And we know that Jesus didn't do something wierd like speak Greek, because John and Paul BOTH tell us that he said "Cephas."

[Ex-Wretch]

The Holy Spirit is what Mr. Robinson claims as his guide. Listen carefully to his argument. He claims that God is working through him.

God also worked through Pharoah. Isn't this Robinson guy a professed sodomite? If he is claiming that he is "holy" or led by the Holy Spirit, he is a blaspheming sodomite.

James 3:11,12
Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter? Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.

[dangus]

Um, Canada is majority Catholic; Australia is about 40%; and I'd rather live in ANY nation in Latin America than South Africa or Namibia.

[RobbyS]

Pharoah never claimed Yahweh as his god. Robinson regards Scripture as myth, but who is to say he is wrong in his interpretation.

[Ex-Wretch]

... yet Christians disagree on so very, very much.

Real Christians who walk in the Spirit and not the Flesh? Think about that.

He tells his followers to be one, and not to have schism.

There is no schism in the body of Christ. There are different members and, different ministries. The hand cannot say to the toe "I have no need of you."

[Ex-Wretch]

Robinson regards Scripture as myth, but who is to say he is wrong in his interpretation.

Who ya gonna believe? Robinson or Jesus?

John 8:31-34
... If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

[NYer]

There's a word for people who leave their children because they don't want to have sex with Mommy anymore: selfish. I'm not a praying man, but I cannot possibly imagine asking God if that would be okay.

Colleen ... this is priceless!!! Thank you for posting that article. And thank you too for the link .... that one needs posting to the forum!

[NYer]

A believer in Jesus Christ as Lord, Saviour and Messiah?

C'mon Colleen, cut her some slack. She's a member of YOPIOS! She is her own priest, bishop and pope. The Holy Spirit guides her in understanding the bible, you know, the one compiled by the first catholics. The fact that her ancestors had to wait 1400 years to read it, is irrelevant.

"Thou art Ex-Wretch, and upon YOPIOS, I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it".

[NYer]

Robinson regards Scripture as myth, but who is to say he is wrong in his interpretation.

ROFL ...... least of all "Bishop" Robinson who has been spearheaded (... ooooh, poor choice of words) to lead the flock in the New Hampshire diocese. What a role model!!

[Tantumergo]

"Every country that springs from a majority Catholic culture is a socialist cesspool with deep class divisions and a history of dogma enforced as civil law;"

You are so right! I knew that Greece, Russia, Bulgaria, Serbia and Romania were all Catholic countries at heart - fit your description to a tee, every one of them!

Oh I forgot to mention England as well!

[Ex-Wretch]

C'mon Colleen, cut her some slack. She's a member of YOPIOS!

Typical mud slinging. If you weren't so lazy and anxious to quench the Holy Spirit you would go to my home page . There you would find my gender.

[RobbyS]

BS. Going back to the 18th Century and one sees--as Marx did--that the Church was made subservient to the ruling class and the bishoprics filled with their types, along with control of Church property. This was as true in England as it was in France and Spain. Revolutions--avoided in England--brought the bourgeoisie into power and the property of the Church was appropriated for THEIR purposes.

[RobbyS]

What about "IT?" ;-)

[dsc]

"You gotta read this gem by James Lileks."

A gem indeed. Hard to imagine now that our divorce laws used to be based on that kind of thinking.

I remember when "no-fault" divorce reared its ugly head. How "liberating" it seemed, and what a disaster it is.

[dangus]

" Real Christians who walk in the Spirit and not the Flesh?"

Yes, real Christians. But Baptists disagree with Methodists on who is baptised. Does that mean that Methodists aren't Christians, or Baptists? You have a simple, trite rejoinder, but all it does is assert that the 99.999% of Christians who don't agree with you on substantive issues aren't really Christians. The people who go to your church in your community may agree with you on a lot, but the only churches with significant global numbers agreeing on major doctrinal issues are Catholic, Orthodox, and (too a small and decreasing extent) Anglican.

"There is no schism in the body of Christ."
Then why warn against schism, if it is, as your idiom suggests, tautologically impossible? This is not scripture.

And this:

"The hand cannot say to the toe "I have no need of you." "

is scripture, but misused. It is in the context of the roles people play within the church. (i.e., the priests cannot say to the laity; the Eucharistic Ministers cannot say to the ushers; those gifted with healing cannot say to those gifted with prophesy.) It does have a slightly more universal context, but not enough to use it as the basis for an assertion that schism is impossible.

"Think about that."
Yeah, I do think about that. Which is why I don't rely on simple idioms, but rational discussions.

[big'ol_freeper]

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