It’s not your mother’s Catholic Church

Catholic Chronicle ^ | July 4, 2003 | PAT TODAK

[Dusty Rose]

I once met an Italian lady who could not pronounce the word "shrimp". It always came out "skrimp".

Wow, now I know why hubby, who grew up with an Italian mother, orders "skrimp" when we go out to eat. I've always thought he had some type of minor speech problem!

[narses]

Thanks for the post!

[ultima ratio]

"Did you ever make your Confirmation? What happened to your participation in the church militant"

I notice how quickly argument turns to personal attack with you. I focused on the article. You focus on me. That's pretty telling. As for following the SSPX--yes, it's a safer bet than continuing to attend Novus Ordo Masses which destroy the Catholic faith.

[NYer]

I notice how quickly argument turns to personal attack with you.

No personal attack intended!! The church militant, as you are so well aware, are the defenders of the faith. We follow the Magisterium and, in times of difficulty, do our duty to defend the faith.

Ask yourself this. Why are you afraid to fight on the side of Christ? You are obviously a man of great faith and ardent supporter of your Lord. He has called you by name at your Confirmation and in His hour of need, you hide behind the SSPX for safety? I don't understand that. Perhaps you can expound on your rationale.

I am NO fan of the abuses, as you well know but I will fight to the death to safeguard the catholics who are being led astray. Yes, it would be so much easier (and my pastor would rejoice) if I were to leave my parish church and seek shelter in an SSPX chapel, for my own soul's sake. But that does not resolve the problem of the other sheep who are following their shepherd, albeit misguided. They have no point of reference .. they are the sheeples who march to his orders. For forty years, they have placed their trust in him.

Those of us who know differently (that would be you and me), HAVE AN OBLIGATION to bring the sheeples to safe pasture and back into the embrace of their Lord. Why are you not out there tending to His flock?

As for following the SSPX--yes, it's a safer bet than continuing to attend Novus Ordo Masses which destroy the Catholic faith.

This simply proves my point. It's all about you. "Why have you abandoned me"?

[NYer]

I notice how quickly argument turns to personal attack with you.

No personal attack intended!! The church militant, as you are so well aware, are the defenders of the faith. We follow the Magisterium and, in times of difficulty, do our duty to defend the faith.

Ask yourself this. Why are you afraid to fight on the side of Christ? You are obviously a man of great faith and ardent supporter of your Lord. He has called you by name at your Confirmation and in His hour of need, you hide behind the SSPX for safety? I don't understand that. Perhaps you can expound on your rationale.

I am NO fan of the abuses, as you well know but I will fight to the death to safeguard the catholics who are being led astray. Yes, it would be so much easier (and my pastor would rejoice) if I were to leave my parish church and seek shelter in an SSPX chapel, for my own soul's sake. But that does not resolve the problem of the other sheep who are following their shepherd, albeit misguided. They have no point of reference .. they are the sheeples who march to his orders. For forty years, they have placed their trust in him.

Those of us who know differently (that would be you and me), HAVE AN OBLIGATION to bring the sheeples to safe pasture and back into the embrace of their Lord. Why are you not out there tending to His flock?

As for following the SSPX--yes, it's a safer bet than continuing to attend Novus Ordo Masses which destroy the Catholic faith.

This simply proves my point. It's all about you. "Why have you abandoned Me"?

[Maximilian]

But what you have not been told, and no one seems to know, is that you still have the obligation to do another penance on that Friday and you are still bound under pain of mortal sin.

If only this were true, but alas, it is not. The new code of canon law merely "recommends" some other form of penance in place of abstaining from meat. Nor does it make any penance mandatory, much less under pain of mortal sin.

[Maximilian]

The requirement for some kind of abstinence on Fridays year round is actually still in effect. Many people don't realize this.

I wish this were true, but the reality is that there is no "requirement," only a "recommendation" for penance on Friday.

[katnip]

I also grew up in Queens ... which part of Queens had this fish market?

In old Howard Beach, down by the train station.

[Desdemona]

Aren't you all happy that we can hold hands at the Our Father and sing Kumbaya?

You aren't?

Then what's wrong with you?

I have class and expensive taste and the audacity to understand classical music.

[sinkspur]

The new code of canon law merely "recommends" some other form of penance in place of abstaining from meat. Nor does it make any penance mandatory, much less under pain of mortal sin.

Because requiring penance under some stricture is like forcing your kid to eat his peas.

And it's even more bizarre to impose the fires of hell on someone who doesn't eat his peas.

[Desdemona]

This article does distill the pure...fluff...of what the current group of denim-clad "mommies" want. Those of us who aren't interested in touchy-feely are usually put down pretty severely.

[ultima ratio]

And you claim no personal attack was intended? But you question whether I was confirmed? Why I don't stay and fight? This is a good example of what anybody who struggles against the present depravity faces--your kind of shallow analysis. The problem is not with me and my not fighting alongside the Novus Ordo Church, the problem is with the Novus Ordo Church itself. Most of us can't do anything but run away from its putrefaction in order to protect our kids from the contagion.

But you say, stay and fight. But what you really mean is support the present establishment--which is precisely the problem in the first place. People like you still don't get it. Doing as you say would be the very opposite of fighting for the faith, it would be to surrender the faith, to follow instead those Judases who would impose on the rest of us a new--protestantized--faith.

No, now is the time to do as Christ had advised: look at their fruits! This alone will tell you the true prophets from the false--and so far the Conciliar Church has produced NOTHING OF VALUE. Their fruits have been uniformly rotten, their agenda radically unCatholic. Why should anybody want to defend such a debacle? Better to retreat to a remnant of true Catholics practicing the true faith.

[ultima ratio]

Exactly. A Mass with a theological patina of centuries--layer upon layer of spiritual nuances of surpassing beauty and power--has been lost. We have this brand-new piece of plastic in its place. Its appeal is to the childish and the sentimental. Truth and poetry have no place in it.

[TradicalRC]

I hear the whore of Babylon was pretty inclusive too. She took all comers.

[Sneer]

Please point me to the "new code of canon law". I am aware of only these and they are not just recommendations
# 1249 to 1253.

"All Christ's faithful are obliged by divine law, each in his or her own way, to do penance. However, so that all may be joined together in a certain common practice of penance, days of penance are prescribed. On these days the faithful are in a special manner to devote themselves to prayer, to engage in works of piety and charity, and to deny themselves, by fulfilling their obligations more faithfully and especially by observing the fast and abstinence which the following canons prescribe." [Canon Law # 1249]

"The days and times of penance for the universal Church are each Friday of the whole year and the season of Lent." [Canon Law # 1250]

"Abstinence from meat, or from some other food as determined by the Episcopal Conference, is to be observed on all Fridays, unless a solemnity should fall on a Friday. Abstinence and fasting are to be observed on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday." [Canon Law # 1251]

"The law of abstinence binds those who have completed their fourteenth year. The law of fasting binds those who have attained their majority, until the beginning of their sixtieth year. Pastors of souls and parents are to ensure that even those who by reason of their age are not bound by the law of fasting and abstinence, are taught the true meaning of penance." [Canon Law # 1252]

"The Episcopal Conference can determine more particular ways in which fasting and abstinence are to be observed. In place of abstinence or fasting it can substitute, in whole or in part, other forms of penance, especially works of charity and exercises of piety." [Canon Law # 1253]

[sinkspur]

The new code was issued in 1983.

There's nothing about "mortal sin" in the canons you posted.

[RonF]

Fish on Friday. We hear a lot nowdays about eating more fish for our health. Perhaps it would be a good idea for many of us to eat fish once a week, for our physical as well as our spiritual health.

My wife came from a good Polish-Catholic family in Chicago. Her mother, bless her soul, was a lousy cook, at least when it came to fish. Thus, my wife's idea of fish was fish sticks. Then we moved to Boston while I finished school. I still remember the first time I took her to Legal Sea Food (the old one in Inman Square). She's never had fish like that. Now she actually likes fish!

[TradicalRC]

I must respectfully disagree with you on this. I do believe that UR is fighting on the side of Christ.

[sinkspur]

I do believe that UR is fighting on the side of Christ.

Whose side is NYer fighting on?