It’s not your mother’s Catholic Church

Catholic Chronicle ^ | July 4, 2003 | PAT TODAK

[St.Chuck]

I referred only to retreating to a remnant of true Catholics--I made no inference about others. You choose to place a pejorative interpretation on my remark--but that is not necessarily the correct one.

Whataya know? Another.....loophole!

[ultima ratio]

Acting pharisaically in your questioning, that's all. Trying to play "gotcha!" I did not mean to infer you were pharisaical personally. Hey--this is a freewheeling site. If you can't stand the heat, etc.

[ultima ratio]

Well then suppose we take it slowly. I said it would be better to retreat to a remnant of true Catholics practicing the true faith rather than remain with the present debacle. How does this mean true Catholics are not outside the remnant I mentioned? To draw such a conclusion is deliberately to distort my meaning. It is precisely because true Catholics are so discomfited by what is going on that they would be interested in joining the remnant I mentioned.

[ultima ratio]

Personal affront? Don't make me laugh. These are emotional accusations--not reasonable and have nothing to do with argument. I don't take umbrage at all--but I recognize the motive--as who wouldn't. In one case you even yelled: YES OR NO? I imagined a courtroom with a prosecutor in full dudgeon.

[TradicalRC]

I am sure if you ask him, he will tell you that he is also fighting on the side of Christ.

[TradicalRC]

Thanks for the post. I lament that the Church resorts to lawyerspeak on certain issues instead of a yea or nay. This is why Christ grew angry with the scribes. Now we get to hear "strongly recommends" instead of do it and "objectively disordered" instead of sin.

[TradicalRC]

Sorry that you're sick and tired of UR, but I must confess, I have learned more about my Church through him than through anyone else on this forum with one or two possible exceptions.
It's nice to hear that you've spent a whole month trying to be civil to him, that very charitable of you. I am simply awestruck by the complete lack of charity that the Church has shown to her most Traditional adherents. To claim the Truth of Christ without His Love is not to have the Truth at all. The Ultima Ratios of the world have had their church leave them, not the other way around. I am very wary of bitterness as it leads to a lack of charity. His bitterness I can understand, those who attack him, I cannot.

The Church may defend the Real Presence of Christ on paper but the reality is that most Catholics in the pew no longer believe that. I am a rational Catholic that attends the Novus Ordo and the complete lack of catachesis of the MAJORITY of Catholics gives me pause. There are reasons and causes, but the defenders of the Novus Ordo and Vatican II will look at any gnat to strain at while ignoring the all too obvious camel that is right under their noses.