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RECOVERING THE TRUTH & A COMING TO A CORRECT UNDERSTANDING OF JESUS
Bet Emet Ministries ^ | Unknown | Craig Lyons

Posted on 07/01/2003 10:22:12 AM PDT by ksen

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To: Invincibly Ignorant; RnMomof7
Is that one of those verses the Bereans rejected? The ones they didn't have scrolls of? The ones the "Catholic scholars" claimed weren't written by the apostles?

No? How can you be sure?

81 posted on 07/01/2003 1:07:20 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Athanasius contra mundum!)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Oh I realize they are different. One is the pagan man/god. Such as calvinists worship. The created instead of the Creator. Comes from an inherited polytheistic Greek mindset. A gift to you from orthodoxy. A godless torahless makeover of the true Messiah of Israel. I'll stick with mine thank you.

So what God did you ask to forgive you? What Jesus did you ask into your life?

82 posted on 07/01/2003 1:10:36 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Alex Murphy
Post 46. I blame the press. I was misquoted!

OK. Let's look.How do we know that all 27 books and no more and no less are the inerrant word of God and the scores of other writings bearing Apostolic names are not?

What was "the word" they received? From whom? What did they do with it, once they'd searched the scriptures (and found it was "so", or "no so")?

The contents of the New Testament, more specifically the Gospels and some (all?) of the successive letters would have been that "word". They survive, in so many accurately transmitted manuscripts, because the Bereans - and those like them - did as the Scriptures say. They searched the scriptures. I believe this is what Ignorant refers to (badly mispelled) as the Tenhak (it should be spelled Tanakh).

They found them so. The texts survived, were copied faithfully, and only later assembled into a single canon. But they were held as scripture, since they came from first-hand witnesses to the Resurrection and were in agreement with the Written Law, long before then.

I'm afraid I don't see how that actually addresses the question. What you say is true, of course. But you fail to address how we know, as you say "the texts...were ehld as Scripture," "came from first-hand witnesses," or were "in agreement with the Written Law."

There's a very simple answer to this that doesn't require the reader to become an expert in archeology or literary manuscripts or history or anythign like that. Blessed are they who do pursue those things, but for most believers the inspiration and authenticity of the canon is transmitted by God's Church.

SD

83 posted on 07/01/2003 1:11:06 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Alex Murphy
No? How can you be sure?

Easy. I explained before but I guess you weren't paying attention. Orthodox scribal corruptions exist mostly when their efforts to sweep an adoptionist viewpoint under the table is obvious.

84 posted on 07/01/2003 1:11:42 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Who was Jesus talking to?

85 posted on 07/01/2003 1:11:48 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
As you know they were not always accepted by the church as doctrinal , but as holy writings, even Jerome did not want them in the canon.

Jerome's opinion aside, he obeyed those in the Church with the authority to make such decisions.

But that is another discussion

It sure is.

SD

86 posted on 07/01/2003 1:12:31 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: jboot
I don't consider the deutercanonicals to have the same weight as the common Protestant canon, neither do I find them to be spurious or even necessarily uninspired.

Speaking as but a single bee within that swarm, I can understand that. I happen to think the movies Shane and The Natural are inspired, too. The Natural is wholly infidelic in it's original text, however. And I'm convinced the Holy Spirit must have been at work in that movie, because there's no way Robert Redford could have turned in such a magnificent work on his own, given his political bent.

87 posted on 07/01/2003 1:13:29 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Athanasius contra mundum!)
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To: RnMomof7
So what God did you ask to forgive you? What Jesus did you ask into your life?

The Messiah YHWH sent. The man whom Adonai Echad (YHWH) rose from the dead.

88 posted on 07/01/2003 1:14:00 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant; Alex Murphy
Orthodox scribal corruptions exist mostly when their efforts to sweep an adoptionist viewpoint under the table is obvious.

So whether a passage supports "adoptionism" or not is your touchstone, your lodestar, your guiding principle?

SD

89 posted on 07/01/2003 1:14:24 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: RnMomof7
Who was Jesus talking to?

People like you that teach for doctrine the traditions of men.

90 posted on 07/01/2003 1:17:25 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: RnMomof7
You're right on that. The deuteros were disputed for centuries until 393, 397, and 419. And yes, it is another discussion.

But regardless of why we accept the NT as ENTIRELY inerrant, at least we do (you and I). :^)

How ya been mom? I've been too busy to post as much as I'd like.

God Bless,
TM
91 posted on 07/01/2003 1:20:15 PM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: Alex Murphy
LOL! My wife says I read too much. Maybe I should watch more movies...
92 posted on 07/01/2003 1:22:49 PM PDT by jboot (Faith is not a work)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Do you believe that Yeshua is God's only begotten son ?

93 posted on 07/01/2003 1:23:48 PM PDT by A_Thinker
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Easy. I explained before but I guess you weren't paying attention.

Pages of answers in some else's words have a habit of putting me to sleep, yes. When you stop regurgitating verbatim what you read on another message board - and start putting into your own words (indicating that you fully understand and have internalized the concepts), let me know.

94 posted on 07/01/2003 1:28:45 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Athanasius contra mundum!)
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To: A_Thinker
Do you believe that Yeshua is God's only begotten son ?

Yes. I also believe the "this day I have begotten thee" happened at the baptism of John.

95 posted on 07/01/2003 1:31:11 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Alex Murphy
Pages of answers in some else's words have a habit of putting me to sleep, yes. When you stop regurgitating verbatim what you read on another message board - and start putting into your own words (indicating that you fully understand and have internalized the concepts), let me know.

Gee. If it bothered you that much I'd expect not to see my name in "ping" format. The material in question however is my own. So thank you for confirming you're too busy responding in your little world of non-negotiable theologies to pay much attention. Lol. Wake me up when you actually have anything worthwhile to contribute.

96 posted on 07/01/2003 1:36:16 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: jboot
LOL! My wife says I read too much. Maybe I should watch more movies...

In the case of The Natural, she's right :) In Bernard Malamud's original book, Roy Hobbes is an undisciplined, whoring lout. He gets at least two women pregnant, and abandons both of them. In the end, he finally gets the moral fiber to turn down the Judge's offer (to through the final game) - breaks his bat like in the movie - and then strikes out anyway on the last pitch. The pieces of his bat are buried under home base, and Roy goes home a completley broken (and broke) man.

97 posted on 07/01/2003 1:37:53 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Athanasius contra mundum!)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Do you believe that Yeshua is God's only begotten son ?

Yes. I also believe the "this day I have begotten thee" happened at the baptism of John.

Two questions ...
1. What does it mean (to you) that Yeshua is God's only begotten son?

2. Why do you believe that the begetting of Yeshua occurred at his baptism (i.e. what supports this belief for you) ?

98 posted on 07/01/2003 1:38:01 PM PDT by A_Thinker
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To: A_Thinker
Two questions ... 1. What does it mean (to you) that Yeshua is God's only begotten son? 2. Why do you believe that the begetting of Yeshua occurred at his baptism (i.e. what supports this belief for you) ?

Before I answer these and since I've already answered a couple of your previous questions. What are your views concerning pre-existeance of Messiah?

99 posted on 07/01/2003 1:43:53 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken from the beginning: from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

Isaiah 48:17 Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel: I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way thou shouldest go.

Three distinct people are mentioned in this passage. Who are they?

I submit that they are:

1. The LORD, thy Redeemer - Jesus, God the Son
2. The Lord GOD - God the Father
3. His Spirit - God, the Holy Spirit.

100 posted on 07/01/2003 1:46:34 PM PDT by ksen (HHD;FRM - Entmoot or Bust!)
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