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RECOVERING THE TRUTH & A COMING TO A CORRECT UNDERSTANDING OF JESUS
Bet Emet Ministries ^ | Unknown | Craig Lyons

Posted on 07/01/2003 10:22:12 AM PDT by ksen

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321 posted on 07/02/2003 7:46:06 AM PDT by drstevej
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To: drstevej
Please continue. This is fun.
322 posted on 07/02/2003 7:47:41 AM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
You still need to work on the OS of the OSAS.
323 posted on 07/02/2003 7:49:36 AM PDT by drstevej
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You still need to work on the OS of the OSAS.

I need to what? "Work"? You sure contradict yourself alot.

324 posted on 07/02/2003 7:52:53 AM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes

But he has not revealed it to you has He? He revealed it to someone that is teaching it to you. You have no clue if what you are saying is correct translation

BTW the mormons like that book you suggested on the corruption of scripture..seems it has a Joeseph Smith theme to it . Interesting company you keep

325 posted on 07/02/2003 7:53:19 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
I can't let the day go by without sharing this very important article. I wanted to make sure you see this Steve cuz I know your flock must be starving.

Steve just how large is this new flock you belong to? Did your family come with you?

326 posted on 07/02/2003 7:56:46 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
Did you read that last article?
327 posted on 07/02/2003 7:59:57 AM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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So ... once again ... why did the Jewish religious leaders of Jesus' time turn him over the the Romans for execution ?

You keep asking this question as if its some profound stumblingblock to my viewpoint.


I kept asking the question because you hadn't answered it.

The answer is because the jews interpreted his words as blashphemy and by interpreting wrongly that Yeshua said he was God.

Big deal, earlier in his ministry they also said he was possessed by Belial. Are you being selective in determining when to believe certain jews or not?


When the Jewish religious leaders accused Jesus of possession by Beelzebub, Jesus rigorously demonstrated that this wasn't true and warned his accusers of the sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

OTOH, when the Jewish religious leaders were in the process of trying Jesus for sin of blasphemy (in that he, a man, maketh himself to be equal to God), ... he never denied it.

One would think that, as a Torah-observant Jewish Rabbi, ... Jesus would have been obligated to deny this accusation, ... if it were false.

But, in fact, he went to the cross, ... rather than to, ... simply, ... deny that he was God.

328 posted on 07/02/2003 8:03:04 AM PDT by A_Thinker
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The fact that Paul quotes from Luke testifies that Paul considered Lukes gospel valid.

Luke is the only place that phrase is quoted. It is used by Bible scholars as a proof that Luke belongs in the canon (remember Luke is the only none Jewish writer in the Bible)

329 posted on 07/02/2003 8:04:03 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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If you'd had noticed, Yeshua wasn't in the mood to defend himself against any charges. Sheesh.
330 posted on 07/02/2003 8:05:15 AM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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LOL LOL ...I would suppose that Calvin is a real threat to this doctrine as he was a scholar in Greek ..
331 posted on 07/02/2003 8:05:38 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
I've contended all along these were cut and paste.

That's funny. I accused you of cut-and-pasting before, and you told me the work was your own. So I'll repeat my advice to you from before:

When you stop regurgitating verbatim what you read on another message board - and start putting them into your own words (indicating that you fully understand and have internalized the concepts), let me know.

332 posted on 07/02/2003 8:08:30 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Athanasius contra mundum!)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
If you'd had noticed, Yeshua wasn't in the mood to defend himself against any charges.

In case you hadn't noticed, ... Yeshua certainly defended himself against the charge of being possessed by Beelzebub (your example).

333 posted on 07/02/2003 8:10:48 AM PDT by A_Thinker
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***I need to what? "Work"? You sure contradict yourself alot.***

"work on" is figurative in this sentence... meaning give attention to. Is English a problem for you too?
334 posted on 07/02/2003 8:11:04 AM PDT by drstevej
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To: RnMomof7
The fact that Paul quotes from Luke testifies that Paul considered Lukes gospel valid.

If indeed it is a "quote" and not just a coincidence that the same phrase is used, how do you know Paul quoted Luke and not the other way around?

SD

335 posted on 07/02/2003 8:12:41 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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Yes, it is a screed IMHO, full of the poorly constructed theology built on his personal interpretation .

I want to hear what YOU believe not a past & copy of someone else's ranting. Steve what do you believe? How are you saved by a man like yourself? How do you KNOW you are saved by him???

336 posted on 07/02/2003 8:13:47 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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The answer is because the jews interpreted his words as blashphemy and by interpreting wrongly that Yeshua said he was God.

I think it is interesting that the on the scene hearers understood exactly what Jesus said (no greek interpretaion needed for them). But now we are to believe that the Jewish scholars hearing the words first hand did not understand what Steves mentor does. There is a disconnect here somewhere.

337 posted on 07/02/2003 8:18:38 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: SoothingDave
Personal feelings are NOT a good indicator; that is correct.

So you agree that our own personal feelings about something is a poor judge of its goodness or inspiration. That's the first step.

I never said personal feelings however, those are your words. I said the feeling in my heart; the presence of God. Many claim to feel the presense of God but do not. How do you know? You see the fruits of the experience and know that it is God; victory over sin, complete change in thought, desire to serve God... The examples I gave above illustrate that just because someone says they are religious and doing God's work does not mean that they have truly serving God or feeling His presense. I am not coming down on Mormons, Catholics and Muslims. They can very well know God. But those that conduct theirselves as such are not in the presence of God.

338 posted on 07/02/2003 8:18:47 AM PDT by milan
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I want to hear what YOU believe not a past & copy of someone else's ranting. Steve what do you believe? How are you saved by a man like yourself? How do you KNOW you are saved by him???

You don't want to hear anything but your own mind and how it fits into your "alledged" theology. Be gone.

339 posted on 07/02/2003 8:25:10 AM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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Personal feelings are NOT a good indicator; that is correct.

I'm glad we agree.

I never said personal feelings however, those are your words. I said the feeling in my heart; the presence of God.

Are you not a person? Can I or others experience objectively what feeling you have in your heart?

No. They are personal. Sorry.

The examples I gave above illustrate that just because someone says they are religious and doing God's work does not mean that they have truly serving God or feeling His presense. I am not coming down on Mormons, Catholics and Muslims. They can very well know God. But those that conduct theirselves as such are not in the presence of God.

Yes, I agree. It is the Mormons who attest to the veracity and inspiration of their Book of Mormon by asking you to read it and pray for that special feeling in your heart. I fail to see the difference between this and how you know the NT to be inspired.

SD

340 posted on 07/02/2003 8:25:44 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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