Posted on 07/01/2003 10:22:12 AM PDT by ksen
I need to what? "Work"? You sure contradict yourself alot.
But he has not revealed it to you has He? He revealed it to someone that is teaching it to you. You have no clue if what you are saying is correct translation
BTW the mormons like that book you suggested on the corruption of scripture..seems it has a Joeseph Smith theme to it . Interesting company you keep
Steve just how large is this new flock you belong to? Did your family come with you?
So ... once again ... why did the Jewish religious leaders of Jesus' time turn him over the the Romans for execution ?
You keep asking this question as if its some profound stumblingblock to my viewpoint.
I kept asking the question because you hadn't answered it.
The answer is because the jews interpreted his words as blashphemy and by interpreting wrongly that Yeshua said he was God.
Big deal, earlier in his ministry they also said he was possessed by Belial. Are you being selective in determining when to believe certain jews or not?
When the Jewish religious leaders accused Jesus of possession by Beelzebub, Jesus rigorously demonstrated that this wasn't true and warned his accusers of the sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
OTOH, when the Jewish religious leaders were in the process of trying Jesus for sin of blasphemy (in that he, a man, maketh himself to be equal to God), ... he never denied it.
One would think that, as a Torah-observant Jewish Rabbi, ... Jesus would have been obligated to deny this accusation, ... if it were false.
But, in fact, he went to the cross, ... rather than to, ... simply, ... deny that he was God.
Luke is the only place that phrase is quoted. It is used by Bible scholars as a proof that Luke belongs in the canon (remember Luke is the only none Jewish writer in the Bible)
That's funny. I accused you of cut-and-pasting before, and you told me the work was your own. So I'll repeat my advice to you from before:
When you stop regurgitating verbatim what you read on another message board - and start putting them into your own words (indicating that you fully understand and have internalized the concepts), let me know.
If you'd had noticed, Yeshua wasn't in the mood to defend himself against any charges.
In case you hadn't noticed, ... Yeshua certainly defended himself against the charge of being possessed by Beelzebub (your example).
If indeed it is a "quote" and not just a coincidence that the same phrase is used, how do you know Paul quoted Luke and not the other way around?
SD
I want to hear what YOU believe not a past & copy of someone else's ranting. Steve what do you believe? How are you saved by a man like yourself? How do you KNOW you are saved by him???
I think it is interesting that the on the scene hearers understood exactly what Jesus said (no greek interpretaion needed for them). But now we are to believe that the Jewish scholars hearing the words first hand did not understand what Steves mentor does. There is a disconnect here somewhere.
So you agree that our own personal feelings about something is a poor judge of its goodness or inspiration. That's the first step.
I never said personal feelings however, those are your words. I said the feeling in my heart; the presence of God. Many claim to feel the presense of God but do not. How do you know? You see the fruits of the experience and know that it is God; victory over sin, complete change in thought, desire to serve God... The examples I gave above illustrate that just because someone says they are religious and doing God's work does not mean that they have truly serving God or feeling His presense. I am not coming down on Mormons, Catholics and Muslims. They can very well know God. But those that conduct theirselves as such are not in the presence of God.
You don't want to hear anything but your own mind and how it fits into your "alledged" theology. Be gone.
I'm glad we agree.
I never said personal feelings however, those are your words. I said the feeling in my heart; the presence of God.
Are you not a person? Can I or others experience objectively what feeling you have in your heart?
No. They are personal. Sorry.
The examples I gave above illustrate that just because someone says they are religious and doing God's work does not mean that they have truly serving God or feeling His presense. I am not coming down on Mormons, Catholics and Muslims. They can very well know God. But those that conduct theirselves as such are not in the presence of God.
Yes, I agree. It is the Mormons who attest to the veracity and inspiration of their Book of Mormon by asking you to read it and pray for that special feeling in your heart. I fail to see the difference between this and how you know the NT to be inspired.
SD
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