Posted on 07/01/2003 10:22:12 AM PDT by ksen
I pick that John knew what he was saying, and that Yeshua was flesh. Human, mortal flesh.
Where in scripture, then, can one find the rules for human sacrifice?
They're not there.
Yet God did call for such a sacrifice.Genesis 22:1 And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am.
2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.
Granted. But then again, this theory works only if you accept that God plays dice with the universe.
With the risk of sounding too Calvinist, God gets what He wants. His Truth is marching on, etc.
God wants poverty, cruelty, suffering, the murder of millions in the name of any religion?
Is it not more likely that God permits these things to happen? That, in terms of eternity, our time on this earth is really no big deal?
If I club you over the head hard enough you will cease to be, at least in this existence. You are a distinct being with boundaries. I am another. We aren't Borg, we have unique minds and wills.
God's nature is different from ours. We are instances of human nature. A new human being shares the nature, but is a distinct being.
Divine nature is singular. There is only one instance of a Divine Being. So any person who had a divine nature is, by this definition, that One Being.
SD
Do you interpret this literally? What sort of superglue do you use to maintain a permanent bond with your wife? ;o)
Biblically speaking, can you provide an OT verse where a human was explicitly sacrificed, and provide the verses which outline the laws ordained for these human sacrifices?
Deut 12:32 - "What thing soever I command you, observe to do it. Thou shalt not add thereto nor diminish from it.
Keep reading...
Then Abraham put forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son.
But the angel of the LORD called to him from heaven, and said, "Abraham, Abraham!" And he said, "Here am I."
He said, "Do not lay your hand on the lad or do anything to him; for now I know that you fear God, seeing you have not withheld your son, your only son, from me." (Genesis 22:10-12)
Either John mispoke, or you'll have to accept that Yeshua was flesh and blood, a human, mortal being.
I do accept that Yeshua was flesh and blood, a human, mortal being.
What I do not accept is that this, somehow, limits God from making Yeshua a manifestation of Himself, as well.
I believe that the God, ... Who exists outside of our space-time continuum, ... Whose creative works include quantum mechanics, etc. ... could do this, if He so chose.
What, exactly are you adding up?
Who told you that a person needed to "add up" to 100?
If God is One, exactly what does it mean to be "half" God?
Is that anything like being "half pregnant"?
SD
I do accept that Yeshua was flesh and blood, a human, mortal being.
He's been told. Numerous times. He's engaging in serious strawman whacking.
SD
And since through the hypostatic union human nature was united with divine nature, we are also, by this definition, that One Being. The one being that we share is not in our own "personal being", as you might put it, but in God. Thanks for clearing that up, Dave! :o)
Where do you find a promise that this "Church" is protected from error?
Has this "Church" you speak of ever committed an error?
SD
Keep reading...
No problem.
Doesn't detract from my point.
What, then limits you from believing that all of mankind, or the entire universe, is not likewise a manifestation of Himself?
Ge 26:5 - because Abraham obeyed My voice, and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws."
Sure it does. Far from condoning human sacrifice, we see that God does not want it.
No. The hypostatic union is in the person of Jesus. It is not universal to all humanity. Human nature is not the same as divine nature with respect to individual persons.
It is why we need to become part of the Body of Jesus, cause then we are united to the divine.
SD
From us.
SD
For this instance, yes.
Where do you find a promise that this "Church" is protected from error?
Scripture.
Has this "Church" you speak of ever committed an error?
No.
SD
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