Posted on 07/01/2003 10:22:12 AM PDT by ksen
You're giving me something my father never gave me. A talk about the "birds and the bees". :-)
Do you have any idea what "demi" and "semi" mean?
How do you acheive this conclusion from my statement that Yeshua is 100 percent fully God?
SD
"Jesus is God. He has a divine nature and a human nature."
Right?
Is there more than one human nature?
Malakhi gave a good example earlier.
Right.
Is there more than one human nature?
I'll say no.
SD
I said 100 percent and 100 percent. Where do you get "half" from. Jesus is 100 percent God and 100 percent man. Fully human fully divine. Not half man half god.
I know it's easier when you just think what you want, but it doesn't make you effective.
Why aren't all the prophets included in your polytheistic god?
Why would they be? None of the prophets were God incarnate.
Oh, and God is one, not polytheistic. Just cause He has Three persons within does not make him "poly."
SD
Where you been?
Binding and loosing, forgiving sins, etc.
So you are saying only the Apostles can save a soul and/or be the instrument for the forgivness of sin?
IOW the prayers of the "faithful" cannot have the same "power/authority" with God?
I'll say no.
OK, so there is only one human nature. Which was united with the divine nature in the person of Jesus. We all also share in this one human nature. Which was united with the divine nature in the person of Jesus. So our human nature is united with the divine nature. If Jesus was fully God and fully man, partaking of a divine united with a human nature, then we are also fully man and fully God, partaking of a human nature united with a divine nature.
Pantheistic multiple-ego solipsism.
Thou art God.
Grok?
"Polypersonal" if not "polyontological".
Also, by this standard, Hinduism is not polytheistic.
http://hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/h_polytheism.htm
According to the tenets of Hinduism, God is one as well as many...
Therefore for a Hindu the worship of gods and goddesses is not a mere superstitious idolatry but an act of faith and a form of communication, a way of placing our cares and concerns in the hands of God, the One Supreme Universal Self, of infinite dimensions, who envelops the worlds, the planets and the whole universe and is also hidden in them. The gods and goddesses are His different forms, the many hands, feet and faces of the one Supreme Purusha, the universal Self
1 Chronicles 22:9 Behold, a son shall be born to thee, who shall be a man of rest; and I will give him rest from all his enemies round about: for his name shall be Solomon, and I will give peace and quietness unto Israel in his days.Another son! Imagine that!
10 He shall build an house for my name; and he shall be my son, and I will be his father; and I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel for ever.
But not begotten
Oh dear. I was afraid you might do something like that.
I am not you, and neither one of us is Steven. There is a shared human nature we have, but we are not the same being.
With God, there is both unity of nature and unity of being.
So your above falls apart as soon as you take our sharing a human nature to mean that we are the same being.
You are correct, however, in understanding that if we do unite our own personal nature to that of Jesus that we do become united with the divinity. Jesus did come to allow us all to raise our human nature up so that we may participate in the divine life. So, yes, what you say is true, but not automatically by being human. It is by being human and attached to Christ.
SD
SD
I don't know if I ever said it was or wasn't. It is incorrect. If the various "gods and goddesses" are truly different "faces" and various other body parts of the one "Supreme Purusha," then I guess it isn't polytheistic either.
All depends on whether it's true or not.
Though it has certain error, thinking of Father, Son and Spirit as Three different faces or ways of interacting with us can help to understand why three can be one.
SD
Where have I heard that 'different forms' business before? LOL
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Re=read that post, it explains why Yeshua's death was NOT a blood atonement. He didn't meet several criteria. In addition to those, a blood atonement was the death of the sacrifice from loss of blood. There is nothing in the scriptures that suggest that Yeshua died by bleeding to death.
Jesus was not an animal (biblically).
The rules for animal sacrifice do not apply to him.
Moi? ;o)
I am not you, and neither one of us is Steven.
Right. We are different persons partaking of one human nature.
but we are not the same being.
It depends upon how you define "being". None of us is completely discrete and independent of our environment. Our "personal" being is contingent.
You are correct, however, in understanding that if we do unite our own personal nature to that of Jesus that we do become united with the divinity. Jesus did come to allow us all to raise our human nature up so that we may participate in the divine life. So, yes, what you say is true, but not automatically by being human. It is by being human and attached to Christ.
There is no "personal nature". There is "person" and there is "human nature". Human nature is already (and substantially) united with the divine nature, according to the doctrine of hypostatic union. The only alternative I can see is to assert that those who do not partake of this theosis do not have a human nature.
Where in scripture, then, can one find the rules for human sacrifice?
100% + 100% = 200% Or 1 + 1 = 2Genesis 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
Why look at that!
God says 1 + 1 = 1
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