RECOVERING THE TRUTH & A COMING TO A CORRECT UNDERSTANDING OF JESUS

Bet Emet Ministries ^ | Unknown | Craig Lyons

[JesseShurun]

oh by the way, thanks for getting restornu banned by the way. She's a lost soul and you shoved her right over the edge

[JesseShurun]

okay,I see she's back. Did you even apologize! She's my woman and you leave her alone from now on

[OLD REGGIE]

No, I really did forget. It must be OLD REGGIE that doesn't like all of Paul's writings.

I may be and do lots of things, but I won't intentionally misrepresent what you believe. That's why I asked for clarification.

ksen must have been thinking of me. I have said several times that I have problems with Paul. It is not so much his Scriptural teaching as his extra-Scriptural attitude and teaching.

To give Paul his due, he is careful to state when it is his opinion and/or when he is speaking for himself and not the Lord.

IOW, Paul's writing is replete with I say's and the big I.

(The fact I also think Paul is a misogynist has some bearing on my "problem" with Paul.

[A_Thinker]

You're a breath of fresh air then. Most others have me burning in hell already. :-)

I believe that it is necessary to bring together a number of OT & NT scriptures to synthesize this particular understanding ... a luxury that the early Christians didn't have.

[thirdheavenward]

>>I personally am inclined to put a question mark next to >>James.

>If you cast a doubt on part, you cast a doubt on all.

Not at all. It is criticle to keep in mind the reason why doubt is cast, and on what it is cast. In my first post to you, I built up the canon piece by piece, judgeing the books one by one. Catholics are correct when they point out that just simply an up or down on the exact 27 books in the so called NT is a bit arbitrary. An up or down decision on the whole 27 is in reality an up or down decision on the group that selected those 27. In point of fact, that group did a very good job.

However, the only way to logically go about justifying the canon, especially as people put forward other candidates in addition to the 27, without a barefaced appeal to the origional authority, is to examine the books one by one. I have cast a bit of doubt, it is true, on one of those books, but at the same time I have asserted the others more strongly, by suggesting that the process of sorting them works, that the divisional process between clear scripture and others is effective in an objective sense.

The argument for striking James is specific. The main 24, (which do not include Hebrews, James, Jude), cannot seriously be attacked. They stand in a class by themselves, in a strong self-supporting rigid structure, with an incredible legacy of ancient manuscripts clearly showing that they have been faithfully passed down. What makes James different, is that, for one thing, James, like Jude, was not one of the twelve. We learn very little about him from Luke, unlike Paul who is clearly portrayed as an Apostle sent by God. Nothing from the other 24 gives any clue about what we should think about the book of James.

So we look inside the book, and try to judge the book based upon what it says. This is where I follow Martin Luther in saying that the book of James seems very legalistic. It is unlikely that the book of James alone could give a man a proper understanding of Redemption, which is criticle for salvation. Though it is quite right in much of what it says, its lack of grace, forgiveness, and the plan of salvation raise questions. Could a book truly inspired by God lack the most important message of all, especially one written after the accomplished fact of salvation? James fails to give us the message that Jesus died and rose again, and we can be justified if we confess him!

You see, applying arguments like that to, say, Romans is absurd.

[ET(end tyranny)]

I don't have to apologize. I didn't jump into a thread where I hadn't been posting, and spam 40 posts of garbage.

[ET(end tyranny)]

(The fact I also think Paul is a misogynist has some bearing on my "problem" with Paul.

Ok. I have to ask. What is a misogynist?

[JesseShurun]

that's just a game they play on that thread and it's done all the time. Because of her dyslexia she got confused. Who do you think you are anyway? Your theology is all put together from websites that you visit and whatever takes your fancy. You never answer one thing I ever ask you about Jewish studies and the Torah so you are obviously a fraud

[restornu]

Thank when did I get back I thought I was out until 21:44!:)

BTW I want to thank all of my Estange Friends who stuck by me.

Where there is light there is hope!

I had this wonderful feeling that no matter how insufferable things a person might say, the Lord told us to focus on the good in one another.

I will always have a small corner in my heart for my estange Calvinsit Friends drstevej & RnMonof7 and Jesse!:)

I am also thankful for all of you who have gone to bat for me!

I also thank the Admin Moderator who allowed me to return!:)

[JesseShurun]

you're welcome, can't have my 35th wife disappearing on ol' JesseDuke now

[ET(end tyranny)]

I've posted material from the Catholic Encyclopedia, does that make me a Catholic (Yahweh, please no.... you already delivered me from there!)

I've also posted material from sites that house documents from the writings of Eusebius, Hegesippus and others. Just because you don't like the material from other sites doesn't mean that the material is in error.

[JesseShurun]

call yourself whatever you want to, you're against Jesus. so you're against me and mine, and I'll fight you to the bitter end (of the tyranny)

[ET(end tyranny)]

You are full of crap. I am not against Yeshua. I do not approve however of committing idolatry in Yeshua's name.

[drstevej]

Welcome back restornu! I was going to post this 40 or 50 times but didn't want ET to have a hissy fit.

-drstevej (the estrange Calvinist)

[restornu]

What is a misogynist?

mi·sog·y·nist n. One who hates women. adj. Of or characterized by a hatred of women.

[drstevej]

ET = Yahweh, My Way

[JesseShurun]

you are against Jesus Christ the Son of God and the Son of Man, and His people who call themselves after Him, the Christians. You're the Oscar Mayer batboy around here, all we have to do is read the balogna you are constantly putting forth as Jewish theology

[JesseShurun]

yeah, like he had to ask

[ET(end tyranny)]

mi·sog·y·nist n. One who hates women. adj. Of or characterized by a hatred of women.

Thanks. By the way, do you ever hear from Illbay?

[JesseShurun]

post it stevie!!! With clowns and balloons