Criticizing Pope John Paul II

The Wanderer Press ^ | May 10, 2003 | JOHN YOUNG

[ninenot]

Just in case you don't get it yet: there is NO authority on Earth which will be accepted by your interlocutor. I also suspect that if JC Himself knocked on their door and explained it all for them, they would (politely, I hope) advise him that disobedience is REQUIRED.

[ultima ratio]

This is a ridiculous argument, phony on the surface. Nobody questions the fact that Christ died for all. We are opposing the use of "for all" because Christ didn't say "for all", he said "for many." Do you think Christ didn't know that his sacrifice would be for all, but that only SOME would actually achieve salvation? Do you think Matthew and Mark mistook his meaning?

If the modernists want to use "for all", they should be honest enough to admit that Christ didn't use these words and remove the claim he did from the text of the Novus Ordo. Keeping it in and claiming he said it, is a lie. It is a falsehood. It is misleading. It is politically correct, but factually dishonest. And it pushes a false, politically-correct doctrine that the Church has never taught. It has always taught Christ died for all. But it has also taught that despite this, only some of us would have faith enough in him to be saved.

Moreover, the continual false claim that the Hebrew and the Aramaic tongues used "many" to mean "all" is as fake as a three dollar bill. Do you think for two thousand years the Church made a huge mistake in translating the Gospels which only modernists in their infinite wisdom were able to finally discern? What is this except the same old hubris this gang of church-wreckers and sycretists exposes whenever they lay their apostate hands on a traditional Catholic teaching? No wonder the Church is presently in a state of collapse. It is ruled by people who are inveterately dishonest, wrong-headed, and in open opposition to past Church teachings. As a consequence the Church is less truthful and less faithful and less influential than any time in modern history. What we get instead is this liberal mush, feel-good Princess Diana-type optimism that is not borne-out by the Gospels.

So yes, Christ died for all--but He knew not all would achieve salvation and it would be sobering and wise for us to realize this truth and stop patting ourselves on the back and lying to ourselves, pretending he said what he never said.

[NYer]

I also suspect that if JC Himself knocked on their door and explained it all for them, they would (politely, I hope) advise him that disobedience is REQUIRED.

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[Aloysius]

LOL! From your web site How to rescue Someone from the Influence of the SSPX:

Strategy #2. Try to get the SSPX supporter to see the unfairness of spending so much energy pointing to someone's mistakes, and never recognizing the good they have done.

SSPX supporters spend great amounts of energy pointing out the Pope's mistakes. But they also refuse to recognize whenever the Pope does something right. It is not fair to spend all your time pointing out the Pope's mistakes, and never giving him credit for doing good things. This reveals a real prejudice against the Pope, which can lead to a mindset in which you decide to start your own church, since the Pope isn't doing a good enough job.

Can someone who is free from the influence of the SSPX please list all of the good things done by John Paul II?

Please note, answers regarding his travels, ecumenism, world youth day and rock concerts are not acceptable.

[pascendi]

lol on the website. That's pretty funny. I could pattern a website of my own after this, and enjoy loads of success:

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Unfortunately, the Church Militant with good will often say the truth and live the Faith, and that only makes the situation worse.

Just kidding... just kidding!! geez, lighten up. Already.

[PFKEY]

Matt 21:5
... thy King cometh unto thee, meek, and sitting upon an ass,

[ultima ratio]

More smears. Why don't you answer the argument I have presented to you directly instead of hiding behind the above posts which are either lies (ICEL's claim that "exegetes" believe the Aramaic word for "many" really means "all"--an unmitigated lie) or hit pieces? I have posited sound reasons for why people admire the SSPX. Its priests are devout, hard-working, orthodox, and serious about the faith. Besides, they want their kids to grow up as Catholics, not Protestants.

[ultima ratio]

"That's funny, my traditional Gasparri catechism tells me that to be a Catholic one must submit to the Roman Pontiff."

And so we do. Except when he wanders off the reservation and forces us to choose between himself and all previous popes and saints and councils. Then the faith itself trumps the Pontiff.