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What reconciliation? SSPX Demotes Former French Superior
Envoy Encore ^ | 5/28/03 | Pete Vere, JCL

Posted on 05/30/2003 11:43:43 PM PDT by Theosis

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To: sandyeggo
Williamson does not deal with the faithful one on one, though he will sometimes fill-in in an emergency. We meet him on occasion, but not for spiritual direction. Our regular priest is a gentle, moderate man. He is also very scholarly.

You have to realize something. Traditionalists are not uninformed Catholics. They know the difference between doctrine and opinion--and they make the necessary distinction. Their main concern is the Mass and doctrinal orthodoxy. In these he is above reproach. His political views and his opinions about the Sound of Music or the role of women in general--are just that. Opinions.

If I would characterize the spirituality of most SSPX priests, I would say it is in part Ignatian, in part Salesian. I have never sensed I was part of a movement that was radical in any way. It is true Williamson is immoderate in his writings at times. I have said so before. But this does not in any way disqualify him as bishop. And in his personal relations he is always kind and respectful of others--not at all what he seems in writing.

Having said this, would I prefer Fellay or someone else? Yes. But I don't get to choose. Not all the chosen are exemplary in every way. The best we can hope for is orthodoxy--that is the bottom line.
201 posted on 06/04/2003 9:00:12 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: Desdemona
The full body suit has not been proven completely.

So I guess the rules they passed against its use were unnecessary? And at the very least, the suits certainly don't provide any disadvantage. So the need for immodest suits was never a reality, but only imaginary.

202 posted on 06/04/2003 9:01:44 PM PDT by Maximilian
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To: Maximilian
This is certainly interesting from a cultural perspective. Was this St. Louis and what decade would it be? If your recollection is from your childhood, and you're as young as you say, then it would have to be the eighties, by which time virtually everyone's great-grandmother might have been wearing pants.

Across the river and I have my info from photographs in the 30's. Actually, my young childhood was in the 70's. If you're as young as you say you are LOOSEN UP A LITTLE.
203 posted on 06/04/2003 9:03:02 PM PDT by Desdemona
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To: sinkspur
To which the farmer replied, "Well, you shoulda seen it when the Lord had it all to Himself."

Good story. I'll have to remember that one.

204 posted on 06/04/2003 9:03:25 PM PDT by Maximilian
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To: Maximilian
So I guess the rules they passed against its use were unnecessary? And at the very least, the suits certainly don't provide any disadvantage. So the need for immodest suits was never a reality, but only imaginary.

I have no idea, but you still have to have razor burn when you hit the water, or you can't feel it well enough.
205 posted on 06/04/2003 9:04:30 PM PDT by Desdemona
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To: Desdemona
Des, Amish chic, or the "burqualicious" motif is what's "in" for the "trad" girl.

This has the added benefit of covering any tattoos the trad girl may have gotten in her Magdalen days.

206 posted on 06/04/2003 9:04:51 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
Curious. Why do you know the details of this?

This was big news on Diocese Report for a while, and Polycarp, I believe, was posting stuff for a while whenever something was released.

207 posted on 06/04/2003 9:06:11 PM PDT by Maximilian
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To: sinkspur
You can get the details from the College of St. Justin Martyr website

This crew were not only homosexual predators but also profligate sybarites as well. Bishop Timlin covered for them every step of the way, for reasons known only to himself.

208 posted on 06/04/2003 9:06:29 PM PDT by Loyalist (Keeper of the Schismatic Orc Ping List. Freepmail me if you want on or off it.)
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To: Desdemona
If you're as young as you say you are LOOSEN UP A LITTLE.

Okay. [Having quickly knocked back a couple of stiff ones.] Have you heard the one about the 2 Irishmen who go into the bar? It seems they ....

209 posted on 06/04/2003 9:08:14 PM PDT by Maximilian
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To: sinkspur
Des, Amish chic, or the "burqualicious" motif is what's "in" for the "trad" girl.

I'm sorry. It just doesn't match my coloring.
210 posted on 06/04/2003 9:08:22 PM PDT by Desdemona
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To: sinkspur
I recall when the story broke. I was familiar with The Society of St. John, their association with the FSSP and their work at St. Gregory's academy outside Scranton, Pa. It has been discussed here a few times before, but not lately. Ventena's wife (sic) is very familiar with this, as I believe she was supporter of this group. They have a website, or did, at one time.
211 posted on 06/04/2003 9:09:12 PM PDT by St.Chuck
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To: ultima ratio
But I don't get to choose. Not all the chosen are exemplary in every way.

Spoken like a real Catholic. :o)

212 posted on 06/04/2003 9:12:05 PM PDT by St.Chuck
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To: Maximilian
Good story. I'll have to remember that one.

Please do. Farms, like the Body of Christ, don't grow if the farmers sit in the house, and take no action.

213 posted on 06/04/2003 9:12:36 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sandyeggo
do you think capris count as men's dress?

Of course. And I have 2 pair. :)


Even when they're pink and embroidered with flowers? That leaves me wondering about the men.
215 posted on 06/04/2003 9:17:42 PM PDT by Desdemona
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To: Loyalist; sinkspur
I believe that website is run by one who has a personal grudge against the accused. There is a defense, Bishop Timlin seems to be acting with prudence and a desire for justice.
216 posted on 06/04/2003 9:18:08 PM PDT by St.Chuck
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To: St.Chuck
I was familiar with The Society of St. John, their association with the FSSP and their work at St. Gregory's academy outside Scranton, Pa. It has been discussed here a few times before, but not lately. Ventena's wife (sic) is very familiar with this, as I believe she was supporter of this group. They have a website, or did, at one time.

I'm always in awe of you guys who know about the ancillary movements of the ancillary movements.

I compare it to those who, in addition to knowing about the Bigs in Major League Baseball, also keep up with Triple A.

217 posted on 06/04/2003 9:22:11 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: huskyboy
The post-conciliar church still has not done one thing to justify its support for religious liberty - which can be found in the so-called "Vatican II magesterium".

Incorrect. Dom Basile Valluet, OSB, who was ordained a priest by Archbishop Lefebvre for Le Barroux Monastery (before they reconciled in 1988), wrote a six-volume doctoral thesis on the subject, where he showed examples of the Church teaching and upholding religious liberty throughout the Centuries. His work, which unfortunately is only available in French at this time, has never been refuted.
218 posted on 06/04/2003 9:23:52 PM PDT by Theosis
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To: NYer
"What drew Williamson to the SSPX in the first place?"

Many SSPXers I know have wondered the same thing.
219 posted on 06/04/2003 9:25:24 PM PDT by Theosis
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