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What reconciliation? SSPX Demotes Former French Superior
Envoy Encore ^ | 5/28/03 | Pete Vere, JCL

Posted on 05/30/2003 11:43:43 PM PDT by Theosis

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To: sinkspur
As I suspected: You cannot defend your method, so you simply ignore the issue, hoping that accusing me of attempting a "whitewash" will sufice as rebutal. No Sale. Try again.
181 posted on 06/04/2003 7:57:19 PM PDT by jt8d (War is better than terrorism.)
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To: St.Chuck
I am going to save the reply until the morrow... it is too late at night for me to do the exercise justice. We'll pick up from here. Goodnight.
182 posted on 06/04/2003 8:01:24 PM PDT by jt8d (War is better than terrorism.)
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To: Desdemona
My great-grandmother was a farmer's wife who worked in the fields. She wore pants.

I find this very implausible. My great-grandmother was still alive when I was young, and I assume I am roughly the same age as you. She was a farmer's wife and still lived on a farm where she had a coal stove, a small orchard and was raising several grandchildren into her nineties. She never wore pants until the day she died.

183 posted on 06/04/2003 8:07:42 PM PDT by Maximilian
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To: Desdemona
Oh, and another thing - as a person who grew up on a pool deck, what about bathing suits, and I don't mean enticing ones, I mean decent-looking racing suits.

I grew up on swim teams, and yet I always felt uncomfortable about the suits. They always seemed very immodest, although it was something subliminal for me. But watching the Olympics were even worse. They always wore practically nothing, even compared to our normal Speedos.

Now it turns out that all the talk about how these immodest suits were necessary for competitive reasons was all a bunch of bunk. Instead the most modest suits are the most competitive. They've had to actually pass rules against the new all-body suits because they give such an advantage.

That swimmer from Ireland appeared out of nowhere and won a bunch of upset Olympic medals that made people suspect that she was cheating. But one of her advantages was that she was one of the first to go to the all-body bathing suit which is now known to be significantly faster.

184 posted on 06/04/2003 8:14:12 PM PDT by Maximilian
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To: sandyeggo
My mom is 75 and has short hair and wears pants. The thought that she has warped ideas is hilarious. Really it is.

This could be my mom exactly (although she's only 69). But she is the first to admit that she fell for quite a few "warped ideas" in the seventies. She followed the lead of the liberal church, and now she's paying for it by seeing several of her children married outside the church, etc. She has come back partially to a more traditional catholicism, but it's almost impossible to eliminate all the effects. One of them is terrible taste in styles. Most women look horrible in pants, especially ones with elastic waists. My mother, for all of her saintly qualities, is no exception.

185 posted on 06/04/2003 8:21:40 PM PDT by Maximilian
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To: sandyeggo
talented but proud young Argentinian priest who had been a Seminary professor at Winona for three and a half years, decided that the moment had come to break with the Society of St. Pius X and form his own society, starting with one fellow professor and two seminarians who walked out with him.

I'm afraid you've picked a bad topic with which to bash the SSPX. These 3 priests from Winona were the ones who were welcomed with open arms into the diocese of Scranton where they intended to create a "medieval community." Instead they were found to be committing gross sexual imposition and almost trashed the good name of the FSSP because of their association in Scranton. The bishop of Scranton has suffered terribly over his imprudent decision to wlecome these renegades, and the only group that comes off smelling like a rose is the SSPX which kicked this guy out of the seminary twice.

186 posted on 06/04/2003 8:29:41 PM PDT by Maximilian
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To: Maximilian
Most women look horrible in pants, especially ones with elastic waists.

Most men look horrible in pants, too, especially with 70% of us overweight.

Elastic is in the top five of the best inventions, ever.

187 posted on 06/04/2003 8:32:06 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Maximilian
I find this very implausible. My great-grandmother was still alive when I was young, and I assume I am roughly the same age as you. She was a farmer's wife and still lived on a farm where she had a coal stove, a small orchard and was raising several grandchildren into her nineties. She never wore pants until the day she died.

You didn't know my great-grandmother. She kept a seven bedroom farmhouse on over 40 acres, milked cows, did the chickens, etc. The orchards actually belonged to her sister, but I think the orchards were bigger than the farm was. And all the women wore pants.

And unless i miss my guess, I'm at least 10 years younger than you are. Probably closer to 15.
188 posted on 06/04/2003 8:32:38 PM PDT by Desdemona
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To: Maximilian
That swimmer from Ireland appeared out of nowhere and won a bunch of upset Olympic medals that made people suspect that she was cheating. But one of her advantages was that she was one of the first to go to the all-body bathing suit which is now known to be significantly faster.

That particular swimmer was doping - and everybody knew it. She came out of nowhere and then got caught and disappeared. The full body suit has not been proven completely. Truthfully, you can't feel the water well enough.
189 posted on 06/04/2003 8:36:17 PM PDT by Desdemona
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To: drstevej
I wish they all could be LeFerbvrist girls!

This is mildly amusing, but actually you've hit the nail on the head. Traditional girls are where it's at! My daughters are beautiful and holy and pure in heart and in action. They have guys practically fainting all around them. Any real man wants to marry someone like this. Someone who has never slept around, someone who will create a home for himself and his children which is dedicated to the worship and the service of God, someone who is willing to sacrifice herself for the good of those around her. Someone who is chaste and modest. They are indeed worthy of a "price above rubies." And there are several other girls like that in our parish.

Any man or boy who could even look at skanky Brittney-wannabes without experiencing retching symptoms after meeting a few traditional girls is not worth trying to save.

190 posted on 06/04/2003 8:37:12 PM PDT by Maximilian
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To: NYer
Yet, it is because of OUR efforts, that the church is rallying.

This is presumption. The Church only prospers or withers because of grace, not due to the deeds of any members. It will neither rally nor concede defeat because of our activities, but only because of the holiness of all its members. And by the way, the Church is NOT rallying, it is sinking ever deeper. So I wouldn't consider it prudent to claim credit one way or another.

192 posted on 06/04/2003 8:40:55 PM PDT by Maximilian
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To: Maximilian
Agreed that genuine beauty is rooted in godliness.

BTW, sorry I didn't ping you to #175. Another track on the Pope Piel Greatest Hits CD.
193 posted on 06/04/2003 8:42:51 PM PDT by drstevej (Pope Piel's Greatest Hits -- ORDER NOW!)
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To: sandyeggo
You discussed the immorality of immodest dress (no argument from me there, although I wouldn't take it as far as you) but you never addressed the abortion-as-it-relates-to-pants idea that is so wrong.

What Williamson said was that if you personally want to do something about abortion, make your own personal statement by not wearing un-feminine clothes. If you personally were to wear only skirts and dresses, you would be making a statement about femininity and your nature as a woman -- that it is intrinsically different from a man's. This is a positive step towards a culture where the murder of the unborn is unthinkable.

Cardinal Siri of Genoa (who twice was the leading candidate for pope) wrote the following excellent essay on the problem of women wearing men's clothes. He wrote this before abortion became widespread, which proves how prescient he was:
NOTIFICATION CONCERNING MEN'S DRESS WORN BY WOMEN

195 posted on 06/04/2003 8:48:13 PM PDT by Maximilian
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To: Maximilian
The Church only prospers or withers because of grace, not due to the deeds of any members.

This reminds me of the story of the man who bought a defunct farm, overgrown with weeds and foliage. The man hoed and tilled, and brought in a huge crop.

When the pastor came to dinner, he commented "Well, the Lord and you have done a tremendous job with this farm."

To which the farmer replied, "Well, you shoulda seen it when the Lord had it all to Himself."

196 posted on 06/04/2003 8:50:30 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Maximilian
Instead they were found to be committing gross sexual imposition....

I think that their sexual misdeeds were limited to sleeping in the same bed as some of their students and young acquaintances. I am unfamiliar with any actual impropriety of a sexual nature, but there were certainly other types of inappropriate behavior as well as the sharing the bed.

197 posted on 06/04/2003 8:53:26 PM PDT by St.Chuck
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To: sandyeggo
re max's link - do you think capris count as men's dress? And is it modest or not to have sheath dresses that hug all the curves and endowments? [big sigh] Am I going to have to shopping (again) for modest stuff?
198 posted on 06/04/2003 8:58:30 PM PDT by Desdemona
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To: St.Chuck
I am unfamiliar with any actual impropriety of a sexual nature, but there were certainly other types of inappropriate behavior as well as the sharing the bed.

Curious. Why do you know the details of this?

199 posted on 06/04/2003 8:59:10 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Desdemona
And all the women wore pants.

This is certainly interesting from a cultural perspective. Was this St. Louis and what decade would it be? If your recollection is from your childhood, and you're as young as you say, then it would have to be the eighties, by which time virtually everyone's great-grandmother might have been wearing pants.

200 posted on 06/04/2003 8:59:30 PM PDT by Maximilian
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