Liturgical Renewal ordered by Vatican II

EWTN ^ | Colin B. Donovan, STL

[Arthur McGowan]

He was weak. That makes it "his fault." But he was also a lefty, and an intellectual. I.e., he was susceptible to the illusion that civilization, society--and the liturgy--could be remolded in conformity with a set of academic ideas or ideology. A milder form of the Soviet aim of making a new "Soviet man."

[BlackElk]

Of course, at St. Peter's Basilica, the congregation has a lot to applaud. Not often so in AmChurch. The Amchurch dream dies hard but die it has. Deo gratias!

[Onelifetogive]

I'm with Miss Manners on this one -- if God wishes to applaud in Church, He may...

I'll go with David on this one.

Psalm 47:1 O clap your hands, all ye people; shout unto God with the voice of triumph.

[ninenot]

There's a mega-non-denominational church about 5 miles from my home, and the high school uses the nave for graduation ceremonies.

They have more audio/video in that place than a TV studio. It's stunning; the production values are very high.

With all due respect to your sentiments, the fact of the matter is that all of that stuff is there because the Blessed Sacrament is NOT there, nor is Holy Water.

And, yes, I do smile when I enter the place. They have done quite well; approximately 10% of their congregation of 10,000 or so are former RC's.

It is a smile of irony.

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

True -- but it's that lovely, free-floating liberal guilt (if everyone's guilty, no one really is!) that only proves you're actually better than other people -- as long as you've properly seen the light and vote Democratic! 38 posted on 05/21/2003 10:30 AM PDT by maryz

Valid point. Other people are guilty. The prideful liberals point their fingers at them.

[Jim Noble]

They have done quite well; approximately 10% of their congregation of 10,000 or so are former RC's

I'm not sure there is any such thing as a former RC.

It's one of the mysteries of the RCC that I'm working on.

Pax vobiscum

[ninenot]

Technically, you are correct. I believe the term used is "fallen-away Catholics" which identifies them as, ah, not-currently showing up at Mass...

[dsc]

"63. In permitting and using musical instruments, the culture and traditions of individual peoples must be taken into account. However, those instruments which are, by common opinion and use, suitable for secular music only, are to be altogether prohibited from every liturgical celebration and from popular devotions.[44]"

GUITAR! Guitar, guitar, guitar, guitar, guitar, guitar, guitar, guitar, guitar, guitar, guitar, guitar, guitar, guitar, guitar, guitar, guitar, guitar, guitar, guitar, guitar, guitar, guitar, guitar, guitar, guitar, guitar, guitar, guitar, guitar, guitar, guitar, guitar, guitar, guitar, guitar, guitar, and guitar.

[Jim Noble]

Technically, you are correct

Well, I didn't mean it "technically".

I know Protestants who have become Catholic (I nearly did myself). When Protestants become Catholic, they pretty much leave Protestantism behind.

OTOH, most "ex"-Catholics of my acquaintance (there are exceptions) remain obsessed with Catholicism. They are perhaps best described as "anti-Catholic Catholics", if that makes any sense.

Going to church is for them not an act of worship, but rather an act of rebellion.

[ninenot]

That's interesting. Outside of the "ex's" on FR, I don't really know any. So it's a defiance thing.

No wonder you're researching it.

[Jim Noble]

No wonder you're researching it.

My beloved wife and three beautiful daughters are Catholics.

If I could have, I would have.

[ninenot]

So, relatively speaking, you're in. GRRRROOOOOAAAAAANNNNNN

[Jim Noble]

I like to think of myself as a fellow traveller.

Problem is, our new priest doesn't like fellow travellers.

You'd probably love him...

[ninenot]

I dunno---I have always enjoyed my relationships with Prots (of good will...) but have never missed an opportunity to drag them into the Church, mostly gently...

[Jim Noble]

but have never missed an opportunity to drag them into the Church, mostly gently...

Well, thanks for your good wishes.

The Protestant movement cannot reunify the church. A future pope could.

[TotusTuus]

Christos Voskrese! The Protestant movement cannot reunify the church. A future pope could.

With no little help of the Work and Power of the Holy Spirit ;-)

[maryz]

I believe the term used is "fallen-away Catholics" which identifies them as, ah, not-currently showing up at Mass...

Like that uncle of Lucile Hasley's (convert -- wrote light Catholic essays in the 40s and 50s) who, when asked how long he was out [of the Church], answered, "Never was out -- just didn't go."