Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

SALVATION ALTOGETHER BY GRACE
http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/history/spurgeon/web/ss-0027.html ^ | July 29, 1866 | C. H. Spurgeon

Posted on 05/17/2003 7:07:49 PM PDT by drstevej

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-63 next last
To: JesseShurun
I think she meant accept Christ.
21 posted on 05/17/2003 8:17:29 PM PDT by drstevej
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: drstevej; Delphinium
oh, well I'm still trying to figure is it "nuggut or nugget"
22 posted on 05/17/2003 8:19:31 PM PDT by JesseShurun (The Hazzardous Duke)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: JesseShurun
nuggut is the inevitable result when a nug drinks too much beer.
23 posted on 05/17/2003 8:21:19 PM PDT by drstevej
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: drstevej
lol.
24 posted on 05/17/2003 8:22:24 PM PDT by JesseShurun (The Hazzardous Duke)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: restornu
you know I'm handsome, no gut
25 posted on 05/17/2003 8:25:28 PM PDT by JesseShurun (The Hazzardous Duke)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: JesseShurun
***you know I'm handsome, no gut***

Gutless, eh?
26 posted on 05/17/2003 8:26:55 PM PDT by drstevej
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: drstevej
that's me, no guts, no Glory
27 posted on 05/17/2003 8:27:39 PM PDT by JesseShurun (The Hazzardous Duke)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: restornu
my little nougat, restornugat
28 posted on 05/17/2003 8:28:48 PM PDT by JesseShurun (The Hazzardous Duke)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: drstevej
Better still is it that this doctrine not only gives the man something to hold but it holds the man. Let a man once have burnt into him that salvation is of God and not of man, and that God's grace is to be glorified and not human merit, and you will never get that belief out of him;

Puts the 'amazing' in Amazing Grace.

29 posted on 05/17/2003 8:49:00 PM PDT by Starwind
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: drstevej
..."it is in the confessions of all sorts of Protestant Christians, except those who are avowedly Arminian"...

What was Spurgeon's use of the Word "Arminian"? Is it possible that he was thinking of Pelagian here?

While he was a Calvinist, is this "radical use" of the term Arminian normal in his writings? i would have probably said that it is in the confessions of all Arminian churches, and i'm no friend of Arminianism.

i am reminded of an old Jonathan Edwards sermon title: "Thieves, Robbers, and Deists, (with apologies to Thieves and Robbers)"

30 posted on 05/17/2003 9:09:23 PM PDT by Calvinist_Dark_Lord (" White line's in the middle of the road. That's the WRONG place to walk!" -Roddy Piper, THEY LIVE)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: restornu
There is no other name given among men whereby we must be saved.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Tim 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

1 John 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

So pray to God. Tell him you know you are a sinner, tell him you know you deserve to be apart from Him forever. Tell Him you know that Jesus Christ is Lord, and that he came, in the flesh, and was crucified for your sins. Tell Him that you know that the Lord was resurrected three days later, and even now is alive in heaven. Tell Him that you receive him. Tell him that you accept his sacrifice for YOUR sins. Believe it. Confess it.

(Then tell someone about it, because no one that Jesus called was ever called in secret. We are not to be ashamed of Christ, confess Him, and He will confess you before the Father. )

If you prayed that, and meant it, you know that you have everlasting life. Nothing, no one, not even yourself, can take you away from God now (John 10:28). Now it’s time to get to know God. You do that by reading His Word, the Bible. As a new Christian, you must be aware that you have a new enemy, Satan. Satan will do whatever he can to discourage and confuse you. Don’t let him.

Read God’s Word. Don't be deceived. There are many false teachers and prophets out there. If it doesn't line up with God's Word, then run from it. Satan is a masterful deceiver, and will come as an angel of light, pretending to be of God (2 Corinthians 11:14). He will do his best to deceive you into accepting something less that God’s words. Read it and study it (2 Timothy 2:15), and believe it. Realize that God is revealing Himself in the Bible.

Goodnight restornu, may His Rest be on you, goodnight stevie, pocket fishermen of men, and goodnight Dr. Eckleburg, whereever you are!

31 posted on 05/17/2003 9:14:17 PM PDT by JesseShurun (The Hazzardous Duke)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: JesseShurun
Hi Duke. Thanks for the pings. I never seem to make Drsteve's list.

I didn't know Larry King's wife was a Mormon which explains King's recent onslaught of psychics, mind-readers and dead-body babblers. They're probably all LDS.

I know she's a follower of that wigged-out, hyphenated charlatan, John-Roger.

Incestuous bunch.

32 posted on 05/17/2003 11:39:11 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: JesseShurun

Still dreaming goodnight!:)
33 posted on 05/17/2003 11:57:19 PM PDT by restornu ('Love is like war: easy to begin, hard to end.')
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: JesseShurun

'Sometimes you're the windshield;
sometimes you're the bug.'
Mark Knopfler

34 posted on 05/18/2003 12:01:09 AM PDT by restornu ('Love is like war: easy to begin, hard to end.')
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: drstevej
How would you describe free grace?
35 posted on 05/18/2003 5:14:28 AM PDT by snerkel (Choose Jesus, not some cheap imitation.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: snerkel
Free Grace...

"First. It is free in all to whom it is given. It does not depend on any power or merit in man; no, not in any degree, neither in whole, nor in part. It does not in anywise depend either on the good works or righteousness of the receiver; not on anything he has done, or anything he is. It does not depend on his endeavors. It does not depend on his good tempers, or good desires, or good purposes and intentions; for all these flow from the free grace of God; they are the streams only, not the fountain. They are the fruits of free grace, and not the root. They are not the cause, but the effects of it. Whatsoever good is in man, or is done by man, God is the author and doer of it. Thus is his grace free in all; that is, no way depending on any power or merit in man, but on God alone, who freely gave us his own Son, and "with him freely giveth us all things."

BTW, this is Wesley's description (from a sermon where he reacts to the idea). His description here is a very good one, IMO.

36 posted on 05/18/2003 5:24:49 AM PDT by drstevej
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord
Arminian conditioning of election on foreseen faith would be the basis of Spurgeon's excluding them as having creeds articulating the doctrine of grace.

Actually, Arminius himself conditioned election on both foreseen faith and foreseen perseverance.
37 posted on 05/18/2003 5:29:49 AM PDT by drstevej
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: drstevej
It does not depend on his good tempers, or good desires, or good purposes and intentions; for all these flow from the free grace of God; they are the streams only, not the fountain.

It is certainly good to see you quoting Mr. Wesley. I was wondering, do you really agree with the above-quoted portion of your quotation?

Do you think the traditional, hard-shell Calvinist (I know from your posts that you depart from Calvinist orthodoxy in some areas) would subscribe to the view that "...good tempers, good desires, good purposes and intentions, ... all these flow from the free grace of God ...?"

38 posted on 05/18/2003 6:07:59 AM PDT by winstonchurchill
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: drstevej
I'm very familiar with that sermon.

http://gbgm-umc.org/UMW/Wesley/serm-128.stm
39 posted on 05/18/2003 6:28:19 AM PDT by snerkel (Choose Jesus, not some cheap imitation.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: drstevej
I am currently reading Martin Luther's The Bondage of the Will. I had to get a used copy because they told me it was out of print (I guess people are too busy publishing yet another Philip Yancy book or the 28th volume of the "Left Behind" series.) I was wondering if you had ever read it and what you thought.

I am immediately struck by three things: first, he is brutal in his attacks on Erasmus. Do you think that Luther goes a tad overboard, like he is really trying to get back a Erasmus, or is this just his style (I am not questioning his style Biblically; "You foolish Galatians" screamed Paul. That is what Luther reminds me of).

Second, he is brutal in his attacks on the Pope and the whole structure and institution of the Roman Church. Did he always feel this way, did he ever simply want to reform the Roman Church or had he always felt this sort of contempt for the Holy See and the boyz?

Third, I'm only about half way through it and, while I am getting a profound insight on the real meaning of God's grace, I am still unconvinced about such Calvinistic teachings as Limited Atonement or Preservation of the Saints. Does Luther deal with these later in this volume, in any other of his works, or are these simply Calvin's teachings which originated with Calvin, and not any of the other reformers (Luther, Zwingli, et al)

Other that these questions, it is an amazing work so far which is having a profound effect on my faith and love for Christ, probably because it seems so far removed from the meaningless and irrelevant drivel spewing from our pulpits (well, at least from the Charismatic/Evangelical pulpits I am used to.). From now on I think I will only be reading the good stuff; any other suggestions for a "meat/not milk" reading list?

40 posted on 05/18/2003 11:08:14 AM PDT by ponyespresso (I know that my Redeemer lives)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-63 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson