A Strange Obsession

The Remnant Online ^ | December 31, 2002 | Christopher A. Ferrara

[ultima ratio]

"The merit is not our own...It is, rather, the infinite merit and attraction of the Church's divinely bestowed patrimony, whose argument in favor of itself is finally unanswerable...The day is coming when that patrimony will be restored in all its perennial intergity. The Novus Ordo liturgy will die of its own sterility, for it cannot attract priestly vocations in sufficient numbers to perpetuate itself. The ecumenical and interreligious "dialogues" which go nowhere and produce nothing will eventually cease, and the Church will return to teaching and making disciples of all nations. The entire failed experiment in making the Church conform to the empty neologisms of "the New Theology" will be abandoned. Then the judgment of history will be rendered against those who suppressed the Church's patrimony, and those who defended the suppression. Because the neo-Catholics know this in their heart-of-hearts, we can expect their denunciations of us to grow louder and more outrageous as the evidence against their position piles up and history's verdict approaches." --Christopher A. Ferrara

Amen!

[WriteOn]

Why is the neo-Catholic establishment so concerned about traditionalists?

Schism maybe?

[WriteOn]

Seriously, I'm not sure who is more obsessed, the Traditionalists or the Neo-Con Catholics.

Seems like a dysfunctional love triangle: the Church, Trads and Neo-Con Caths. (Lol, laughing at my trinity pun...)

[ultima ratio]

You have a point.

[ultima ratio]

Not at all, though schism is the first word they fling at us. Even if I were schismatic--which, of course, is ridiculous, I come from a deeply Catholic family--why would they not greet me at least as they would a Lutheran or a Methodist? They tolerate anyone else except the SSPX. Only guys like me has them showering spittle. I can't explain it, except that it reflects in some unconscious way their own interiorizing of Rome's deep animus against Tradition. I don't feel the same way at all in reverse. Most of my resentment is aimed against the New Order in the abstract--but at ground level I don't really feel the same level of hostility whatsoever.

[Conservative til I die]

Snoozzzzzzzzzze. The usual "They persecute us" paranoia from the Traditionalists. Almost a cult-like "We are the chosen few, persecuted like Jesus" mentality you see in Jehovah's Witnesses and other groups.

[Telit Likitis]

Calkins, who himself hails from Erie, PA, spoke of his vision of a "merging" of "the two streams of the liturgy," the old and the new, into that ever-elusive "true reform" intended by the Second Vatican Council.

The Dialectic in action! Antonio Gramsci would have loved Msgr Calkins.

- Telit

[ultima ratio]

Do you also fall asleep reading about the corruption in the Novus Ordo Church--or do you just feel persecuted by the media? If you think traditionalist Catholics are like Jehovah's Witnesses, then what do you think Catholicism was all about for 2000 years?

[Maximilian]

The Dialectic in action! Antonio Gramsci would have loved Msgr Calkins.

Good catch, that's exactly what it is. And you also point out something that went past me in the article: Erie, PA. Just ask Fr. Trigilio from EWTN what the diocese of Erie is like. How could someone from Erie possibly be appointed to be a liason to traditionalists? That alone demonstrates malice aforethought.

[WriteOn]

I'll give you that. I have to say, my own range of reactions to your postings/opinions, has been immense from outrage to amazement and humor. Anyway, I hope sometime in the future we can all get past this episode in history.

[ultima ratio]

Why amazement? Nothing I say should be news to anybody aware of the present struggle for the identity of the Catholic Church. The forces have been engaged on both sides for decades. It's a war between Tradition and the New Church--one in which clashing theologies, not guns, are the instruments of battle.

[Catholicguy]

Antonio Gramsci would have loved Msgr Calkins.

<> Yes, Marxists love Catholics in the same way that Ghandi loved steak<>

[Catholicguy]

<> Amen<>

[Telit Likitis]

I was wondering when your handlers would unleash you.

[Catholicguy]

<>Oh, boo hoo; my exposing as insanity your widdle attempt to link a faithful Catholic with a Marxist bruise your ego?

Put some ice on it<>

[Telit Likitis]

Do read the article by Chad Rippinger if you haven't already done so.

Link: http://www.christianorder.com/features/features_2001/features_mar01.html

-Telit

[Loyalist]

Don't feed the trolls.

[Maximilian]

Do read the article by Chad Rippinger if you haven't already done so.
Link: http://www.christianorder.com/features/features_2001/features_mar01.html
>>>

An all-time classic! Has that ever been posted on FR? It's a brilliant work.

[Land of the Irish]

Great link. Thanks, Telit.

[Scupoli]

It IS a good article. If it's alright with you I'm going to post it (with credits to you of course).