Singing for the Supper or the Sacrifice?

Adoremus Bulletin ^ | November 2002 | Lucy E. Carroll

[DouglasKC]

As far as BigMack watching thekid, I wouldn't worry too much, just take away his (BigMack's) motorcycle keys before you leave. (For some reason, I can't get out of my mind a picture of all the other little five-year-old kids in the neighborhood riding around on little toy cars while your grandson(or granddaughter) sits pearched on a Harley, revving the thing up, and shouting, "O.K., guys, its time to EAT MY DUST." -))

Becky and Macks first grandchild...

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Great picture!

But our imaginations can decieve us. When I was expecting Charlie Oscar Mayer was running a commerical with a chubby looking little boy with black curly hair sitting on a dock singing "My bologna has a first name." Remember him? (I found a picture of him on google but I can't get it to load) That was exactly how we expected our kid too look. We got a skinny red head:) He was a shock.

Becky

[Quester]

Please allow me to try to explain the Caholic view of the Eucharist. It is the Catholic position that Christ's sacrafice for our sins is eternal. Again, its eternal. The dominant Protestant position -in general- is that Christ's sacrafice is eternal only in its effect -i.e. the remission of our sins. We believe the sacrafice itself is eternal.

Jesus is, was, and always will be the Second Person of the Trinity. Hence, he is God. Hence, he exists outside of time. So, too, then, does His Sacrafice exist outside of time. Just as He Is, Was, and Always Will Be; so, too, His Sacrafice Is, Was, and Always Will Be.

Thus, when we celebrate the Eucharist, we are not 're-sacraficing' Jesus. We are re-presenting His Sacrafice which is eternal.

When He was on the Cross, He felt the pain of not just the sins committed by humanity up until that point in history, He also felt the pain of the individual sins you and I have committed and will commit. Hence, His Sacrafice transcended, rose above, time, to cover us personally and whatever sins we commit. The Sacrafice, itself, was eternal, not just the Sacrafice's effect. His pain and suffering still occurs, today. Hence, His Sacrafice is still being poured out, today. Hence, in our Eucharist we join in a re-presentation of that Sacrafice which is still being poured out, today.

The Host contains Jesus' Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity which was offered up on Calvary, is still being offered up on Calvary, and always will be offered up on Calvary.

How does the above reconcile with that Peter has to say here ... ?

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

Also, though Christ exists outside of time, did not the sacrifice occur within the framework of time, enabling Peter to correctly make the prior statement ?

[AlguyA]

"1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:"

"Also, though Christ exists outside of time, did not the sacrifice occur within the framework of time, enabling Peter to correctly make the prior statement ?"

Sorry, I just ran across your response to my post and its rather late. I'll get back to you within the next few days on your first question. Not surprisingly, my answer will differentiate between Christ's suffering -i.e. His 'bloody' sacrafice on the Cross- and unbloody sacrafices such as those found in Deuteronomy. But its late and I have to look up a bunch of Scripture.

So allow me for the moment to answer your second question with a question of my own.(Just to get you thinking along the same lines as Catholics do -))

If you commit a sin, today; does Christ suffer for it, now? Or did he suffer for it then. Remember, the thrust of your question suggests Christ's sacrafice is bounded by time, occured within the framework of time.

[Quester]

Sorry, I just ran across your response to my post and its rather late. I'll get back to you within the next few days on your first question. Not surprisingly, my answer will differentiate between Christ's suffering -i.e. His 'bloody' sacrafice on the Cross- and unbloody sacrafices such as those found in Deuteronomy. But its late and I have to look up a bunch of Scripture.

Thank-you for your consideration. I am looking forward to it. As to your question ...

If you commit a sin, today; does Christ suffer for it, now? Or did he suffer for it then. Remember, the thrust of your question suggests Christ's sacrafice is bounded by time, occured within the framework of time.

My answer to this question would that Christ's suffering is in the past in regard to all human sin, past, present, or future. You might think of it as an endowment of grace, from which we may draw as needed.

My Bible study leads me to conclude that the second person of the Godhead entered the space-time continuum which we inhabit and dwelt with us (i.e. God with us) for approximately what amounted to 33 years (in our world-frame).

Near the end of that (33) years, "God with us" suffered and was put to death, only to resurrected approximately (3) days later. Soon after His resurrection, He ascended back to His Father (in the process, leaving the confines of our space-time continuum).

So, once again, His suffering ... His death ... and His resurrection ALL occurred in the confines of the space-time continuum in which we live, ... and, in relation to today, ... in that space-time continuum, these events are all past.